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    Originally posted by googe
    Also let's be real, Canada's contribution is a joke. This is purely for political reasons. The US needs to point to other nations backing them, they don't actually want or need the resources. It's a drop in the bucket over there.
    This.

    This deployment comes at a big cost to Canada.

    CONS:
    - Loss of respect around the world, especially in the MENA
    - 600 million + CAD for a 6 month deployment (imagine how many lives could be saved with 600 million spent on healthcare, or police!)
    - Possible loss of Canadian soldiers and airmen
    - Guaranteed collateral damage and civilian deaths
    - New generation of people who got bombed out of their mud huts by foreign invaders who grow up hating us
    - Blowback...

    Pros:
    - Marginal impact. Airstrikes are already being called ineffective
    - Harper gets re-elected?
    - Saudi, Qatar, Israel, the USA all give Canada a collective "Hi-5"

    Sounds like a great deal for Harper, Barrack and the our "allies" in the middle east, not so much for the average Canadian.
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    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/october/26/once-peaceful-canada-turns-militaristic-blowback-follows/



    Once-Peaceful Canada Turns Militaristic; Blowback Follows

    written by_ron paul



    In 1968 the government of Canada decided to openly admit Americans seeking to avoid being drafted into the US war on Vietnam. Before, would-be immigrants were technically required to prove that they had been discharged from US military service. This move made it easier for Americans to escape President Johnson’s war machine by heading north._

    Although a founding member of NATO, Canada did not join the United States in its war against Vietnam. The Canadian government did not see a conflict 7,000 miles away as vital to Canada’s national interest so Canada pursued its own foreign policy course, independent of the United States.

    How the world has changed. Canada’s wise caution about military adventurism even at the height of the Cold War has given way to a Canada of the 21st century literally joined at Washington’s hip and eager to participate in any bombing mission initiated by the D.C. interventionists.

    Considering Canada’s peaceful past, the interventionist Canada that has emerged at the end of the Cold War is a genuine disappointment. Who would doubt that today’s Canada would, should a draft be re-instated in the US, send each and every American resister back home to face prison and worse?

    As Glenn Greenwald_pointed_out this past week:

    Canada has spent the last 13 years proclaiming itself a nation at war._It_actively participated_in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and was an_enthusiastic partner_in some of the most_extremist_War on Terror abuses_perpetrated_by the U.S.

    Canada has also enthusiastically joined President Obama’s latest war on Iraq and Syria, pledging to send fighter jets to participate in the bombing of ISIS (and likely many civilians in the process).

    But Canada’s wars abroad came back home to Canada last week.

    Though horrific, it should not be a complete surprise that Canada found itself hit by blowback last week, as two attacks on Canadian soil left two Canadian military members dead.

    Greenwald again points out what few dare to say about the attacks:

    Regardless of one’s views on the justifiability of Canada’s lengthy military actions, it’s not the slightest bit surprising or difficult to understand why people who identify with those on the other end of Canadian bombs and bullets would decide to attack the military responsible for that violence.

    That is the danger of intervention in other people’s wars thousands of miles away. Those at the other end of foreign bombs – and their surviving family members or anyone who sympathizes with them – have great incentive to seek revenge. This feeling should not be that difficult to understand.

    Seeking to understand the motivation of a criminal does not mean that the crime is justified, however. We can still condemn and be appalled by the attacks while realizing that we need to understand the causation and motivation. This is common sense in other criminal matters, but it seems to not apply to attacks such as we saw in Canada last week. Few dare to point out the obvious: Canada’s aggressive foreign policy is creating enemies abroad that are making the country more vulnerable to attack rather than safer.

    Predictably, the Canadian government is using the attacks to restrict civil liberties and expand the surveillance state. Like the US PATRIOT Act, Canadian legislation that had been previously proposed to give the government more authority to spy on and aggressively interrogate its citizens has been given a shot in the arm by last week’s attacks.

    Unfortunately Canada has unlearned the lesson of 1968: staying out of other people’s wars makes a country more safe; following the endless war policy of its southern neighbor opens Canada up to the ugly side of blowback.








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    so we never waged war in WWI or WWII or even Korea? How can we claim a 'peaceful past' when we were very much apart of those wars. Last time I checked Germany wasn't a direct threat to Canada in either war.

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    Canada is a peaceful nation?

    Since when? How easily people forget about WW1, WW2, Korea, the Cold War, standing nuclear watch in Europe, our "peacekeeping" in Bosnia, our air missions in the Gulf in 1991, our missions over Kosovo, Afghanistan...

    Fact of the matter is that Canada has fought more wars than we've watched. In Libya, our six CF-18s dropped 10% of all NATO ordnance. Not bad for a "joke" of a contribution.

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    If you ask any stupid under 25 Canadian what it means to be canadian they'll say:
    - we have good beer!
    - we invented hockey!
    - were nice people, and everyone loves us!
    - were not like those evil americans!
    - were "peace keepers"


    Anyways, i agree thats 100% the point, that Canada is NOT a peaceful nation.

    We drop bombs on people we dont know, we dont understand, and we never met and act surprised when theres blowback.

    The difference between Korea and vietnam, korea was a UN sanctiined war.

    The difference between afghanistan and Iraq, afghanistan was a UN sanctiined war.

    The difference between Libya, Iraq v3.0, and rwanda/Bosnia. UN or at the very minimum, NATO sanctioned.
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    Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
    In Libya, our six CF-18s dropped 10% of all NATO ordnance. Not bad for a "joke" of a contribution.
    Wow, that makes Canada look even more pathetic. But I'm sure the US gave Canada a nice pat on the head and told them how adorable they were, helping the fight!

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    So looks like we are going to war with another country... That makes 4 countries Canada (The Peacekeepers) have directly invaded/bombed in the last 4 years.


    Here's Harper with Peter Mansbridge 3-1/2 months ago:
    What were very very clear on is that we dont want anything thats interpreted as a war on the government of Syria. We were invited by the government of Iraq, were doing that, thats why were there.
    ....

    ...But we have no desire to enter in a war with any government in that country (Syria)...

    Fast Forward to 9:35





    March 24:

    ... The government is also seeking the support of this house for its decision to explicitly expand the air combat mission to include Syria

    ...

    The government has now decided we will not seek the express consent of the Syrian government, instead we will work closely with our American and other allies



    ^^ So we are bombing a sovereign nation without declaring war.

    Do ya think this might piss off some folks? Theres already a bunch of other warring nations bombing that country. What exactly is Canada going to add to this??? Is it possible all this action does is waste Canadian tax payers money and piss off a lot of Syrians?

    Does anyone remember 9-11? People were outraged at the request to go to war in Iraq. Where is the outrage?? Why are we attacking Syria?

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    Canada should not be involved. It is not our problem, our war, or any of our business.

    Let the muslim world have their war.

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    I'm going to abstain from this one.

    But I will say that the US has "filled up the tank". The Strategic petroleum reserve is basically topped up to the maximum. The US usually only does this if they intend to enter a prolonged conflict.
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    Bomb the piss out of them. Honestly if you are going to harbour terrorists prepare to get sent back to the stone age

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