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    Default Target Is closing down across the country

    Target to close all 133 Canadian stores, gets CCAA protection

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/targ...tion-1.2901618


    arget says it plans to discontinue all operations in Canada and has been granted protection from creditors, less than two years after opening to much fanfare.

    In a release early Thursday, the U.S. retail chain said it will close all its locations in Canada. There are 133 stores across the country with about 17,600 employees.

    The company launched in Canada in March of 2013, not quite two years ago.

    But after high expectations, the chain failed to deliver right out of the gate as customers faced higher-than-expected prices, and empty shelves as the retailer had problems with its distribution chain.

    How Target missed the mark in Canada
    Target's failed launch offers lessons for other Canadian retailers
    Target lost almost $1 billion in its first year in Canada, and while the losses have shrank since then, the chain is still losing money daily.

    Executives repeatedly promised they would get it right and reaffirmed their commitment to Canada as recently as July, but ultimately decided to pull the plug.

    "After a thorough review of our Canadian performance and careful consideration of the implications of all options, we were unable to find a realistic scenario that would get Target Canada to profitability until at least 2021," the U.S. parent company's CEO Brian Cornell said in a release Thursday, explaining the justification for the shutdown.

    Target filed an application in a Toronto courtroom for protection under the Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act early Thursday morning. That request was granted.

    DON PITTIS: The long, slow death of middle class retailers in Canada
    Why did Target Canada fail? Because it wasn't the U.S. Target
    The federal law allows companies that can't pay their debts the ability to restructure themselves. Without it, the companies and individuals that an insolvent company owes money to can technically start seizing assets. But because Target has applied under CCAA, that won't happen here yet.

    Aaron Alt, most recently Target's senior vice-president and treasurer, has been named CEO of Target Canada to execute the winddown process under the court's supervision.

    Target's shareholders welcomed the news, sending shares in the company up almost three per cent on the NYSE on Thursday. Closing up shop in Canada means the company has more money to focus its efforts on shoring up its also-struggling U.S. operations.

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    Target was plagued with problems after launching in Canada, including empty shelves because of distribution problems. (Geoff Robins/Reuters)

    And at least one analyst also hinted that it was a good idea to end the failed experiment in Canada.

    "Target’s decision to exit Canada after less than two years of store operations is an admission that it has failed in its attempt to enter a new market," Moody's analyst Charlie O'Shea said. "With over $1.5 billion in … losses, it is clear that the early flaws in Target’s strategy to simultaneously open stores while building out or developing its supply chain became insurmountable."

    Severance will be paid

    Target has hired international consultancy Alvarez & Marsal to oversee the liquidation and wind-down process.

    Most of Target's stores are in locations that were taken over from existing Zellers leases, but the company does own some real estate in Canada.

    Financial advisory firm Lazard Ltd. will advise the company with regards to possibly selling its real-estate assets.

    A large number of Target's locations are owned by Toronto-based RioCan Investment Trust. Units of that REIT shed about one per cent on the TSX on Thursday when the Target news came out.

    The company is seeking the court's permission to set up a $70-million fund to ensure all employees affected by the move get at least 16 weeks in severance pay. The stores will remain open while the company completes the liquidation process.

    LISTEN: Target failed in Canada because it expanded to far, too fast, retail analyst David Ian Gray tells CBC
    "Your efforts have been extraordinary, and absolutely nothing about our decision to exit diminishes your hard work and dedication," Cornell told employees in a letter on Thursday, a copy of which has been obtained by CBC News.

    Target said the decision to close shop in Canada will cost between $500 million and $600 million in cash from the U.S. parent's bottom line, but results in a writedown of about $5.4 billion from an accounting perspective in the upcoming fourth-quarter earnings.

    Target is the latest retailer to go under in what's becoming an increasingly tough retail environment in Canada.

    Fashion shops Mexx, Smart Set and Jacob have all announced plans to close down in recent months. Montreal-based Le Chateau hasn't officially closed, but the clothing chain has been in a tough spot of late.



    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11...n_6108418.html





    Target might have Alex, but the teen heartthrob isn't enough to save some of the company's stores from getting the ax.

    The retail giant said Tuesday that it plans to shutter 11 underperforming stores by next February, about six months after it closed eight other locations. That brings the total number of closures to 19 this year -- as many locations as the company opened last year, according to its annual report.

    “The decision to close a Target store is only made after careful consideration of the long-term financial performance of a particular location,” the company said in a statement. “All eligible store team members are being offered the option to transfer to other Target stores.”





    Employees who choose not to transfer will receive severance payments, the statement said. The stores, closing by Feb. 1, 2015, include locations scattered throughout the South and Midwest. Evan Lapiska, a Target spokesman, said each store currently employs roughly 100 workers.

    Target has struggled over the past year in the wake of a massive breach of customer data, which cost its chief executive his job. The company is also facing trouble as big-box retailers lose ground with shoppers to smaller stores and e-commerce sites.

    In response, Target began testing smaller, urban express stores and beefed up its digital team in July. In this case, the company appears to be trimming fat as part of its turnaround strategy.
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    Target really dropped the ball on their Canadian launch.

    If you've ever been to one in the US, they are waaaay better down there. Better product selection, awesome prices and even some store exclusives you can't buy anywhere else. You can see how they are a viable alternative to places like Wal-Mart down there.

    A Canadian Target store has no product selection advantage, no price advantage, and they haven't really capitalized on the exclusive angle either. These stores are no better than a redressed Zellers and in some cases just got more expensive since the take over.

    Where is the incentive to shop at Target vs Wal-Mart (in Canada)?

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    ^exactly. I went there once, looked at the prices, and left. Never been to one in the US but I had heard good things.

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    Originally posted by Inzane
    Target really dropped the ball on their Canadian launch.

    If you've ever been to one in the US, they are waaaay better down there. Better product selection, awesome prices and even some store exclusives you can't buy anywhere else. You can see how they are a viable alternative to places like Wal-Mart down there.

    A Canadian Target store has no product selection advantage, no price advantage, and they haven't really capitalized on the exclusive angle either. These stores are no better than a redressed Zellers and in some cases just got more expensive since the take over.

    Where is the incentive to shop at Target vs Wal-Mart (in Canada)?
    American business think that Canadians are such desperate and isolated 3rd worlders that they will clamor in huge lineups just to get a taste of their jesus-juice like brands. They're ignorant and have no understanding of what Canadians want or need. Product selection being a huge part of the failure of almost every US business coming to Canada. They think that it's normal to have huge selection and options for broke $10k/year minimum wage / food stamp American consumers, but its ok to bring generic boring crap that you can buy anywhere to cater to $100k/year Canadian consumers. If anything, in a place like Calgary where people make a lot of money, we should get MORE selection than most places in the US. More variety, more eclectic and niche goods. They will still ignore this fact and run crying back home to the US confused and perplexed by the mysterious Canadian consumer that didn't empty their wallets to more of their generic crap.

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    Originally posted by BigMass


    American business think that Canadians are such desperate and isolated 3rd worlders that they will clamor in huge lineups just to get a taste of their jesus-juice like brands. They're ignorant and have no understanding of what Canadians want or need. Product selection being a huge part of the failure of almost every US business coming to Canada. They think that it's normal to have huge selection and options for broke $10k/year minimum wage / food stamp American consumers, but its ok to bring generic boring crap that you can buy anywhere to cater to $100k/year Canadian consumers. If anything, in a place like Calgary where people make a lot of money, we should get MORE selection than most places in the US. More variety, more eclectic and niche goods. They will still ignore this fact and run crying back home to the US confused and perplexed by the mysterious Canadian consumer that didn't empty their wallets to more of their generic crap.
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    Originally posted by BigMass


    American business think that Canadians are such desperate and isolated 3rd worlders that they will clamor in huge lineups just to get a taste of their jesus-juice like brands. They're ignorant and have no understanding of what Canadians want or need. Product selection being a huge part of the failure of almost every US business coming to Canada. They think that it's normal to have huge selection and options for broke $10k/year minimum wage / food stamp American consumers, but its ok to bring generic boring crap that you can buy anywhere to cater to $100k/year Canadian consumers. If anything, in a place like Calgary where people make a lot of money, we should get MORE selection than most places in the US. More variety, more eclectic and niche goods. They will still ignore this fact and run crying back home to the US confused and perplexed by the mysterious Canadian consumer that didn't empty their wallets to more of their generic crap.
    This should be quoted in every TARGET thread from now on .... so much truth!

    Part of the issue is packaging laws in Canada - Target cant sell products that dont have the Quebecois language on the label here. Tariffs were also an issue.

    However, ALL of these would have been known well before hand. No wonder heads had to roll.

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    Originally posted by BigMass
    If anything, in a place like Calgary where people make a lot of money, we should get MORE selection than most places in the US. More variety, more eclectic and niche goods. They will still ignore this fact and run crying back home to the US confused and perplexed by the mysterious Canadian consumer that didn't empty their wallets to more of their generic crap.
    You can't blame the retailer for that. Blame the government and some of its stupid regulations. You can't just open up shop and bring whatever you want up here because it has to meet certain standards, one of them being the English/French packaging like revelations said. Canada and US also have different food standards so some foods that are sold in the US may not be allowed up here (and vice versa). Some products would have to be made in Canada instead of importing it from the US to keep costs down too.

    With regards to cost, the US has like 10 times the population we do so they can sell at lower costs.

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    Originally posted by BigMass


    American business think that Canadians are such desperate and isolated 3rd worlders that they will clamor in huge lineups just to get a taste of their jesus-juice like brands. They're ignorant and have no understanding of what Canadians want or need. Product selection being a huge part of the failure of almost every US business coming to Canada. They think that it's normal to have huge selection and options for broke $10k/year minimum wage / food stamp American consumers, but its ok to bring generic boring crap that you can buy anywhere to cater to $100k/year Canadian consumers. If anything, in a place like Calgary where people make a lot of money, we should get MORE selection than most places in the US. More variety, more eclectic and niche goods. They will still ignore this fact and run crying back home to the US confused and perplexed by the mysterious Canadian consumer that didn't empty their wallets to more of their generic crap.
    This is one if the more ignorant, misinformed things I've read in a while.

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    You can't blame the retailer for that. Blame the government and some of its stupid regulations. You can't just open up shop and bring whatever you want up here because it has to meet certain standards, one of them being the English/French packaging like revelations said. Canada and US also have different food standards so some foods that are sold in the US may not be allowed up here (and vice versa). Some products would have to be made in Canada instead of importing it from the US to keep costs down too.

    With regards to cost, the US has like 10 times the population we do so they can sell at lower costs.
    Yep. Also, Canada's tiny population simply can't support the diversity if products that the US can. People obviously don't realize that Canada is equivalent to California alone in terms if population and GDP. It's easier to bitch and moan and displace blame than it is to think a little bit.

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    Laws in general here make the Canadian version of American stores different. I can't remember if I was in Walmart or target in great Falls, but it's one stop shopping there, groceries, beer,firearms,some 15w40 and a little back to school shopping for the kids.
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    Originally posted by Sugarphreak
    The whole French Label thing needs to be dropped outside of Quebec


    My eye sight is fine, but I'm finding that more and more I have to use a magnifying glass to read the ingredients.

    Fuck those French keyboards too!

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    All of the stores being closed are in the US, they aren't closing any Canadian stores.

    The company is actually doing better in Canada, now. When they first came here, they made the mistake of hiring "fresh from business school" people to manage the stores and company. They've been making a big push all year to bring in experienced management from other retail chains and it's helping.

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    Originally posted by BigMass


    American business think that Canadians are such desperate and isolated 3rd worlders that they will clamor in huge lineups just to get a taste of their jesus-juice like brands. They're ignorant and have no understanding of what Canadians want or need. Product selection being a huge part of the failure of almost every US business coming to Canada. They think that it's normal to have huge selection and options for broke $10k/year minimum wage / food stamp American consumers, but its ok to bring generic boring crap that you can buy anywhere to cater to $100k/year Canadian consumers. If anything, in a place like Calgary where people make a lot of money, we should get MORE selection than most places in the US. More variety, more eclectic and niche goods. They will still ignore this fact and run crying back home to the US confused and perplexed by the mysterious Canadian consumer that didn't empty their wallets to more of their generic crap.
    A giant American chain doesn't just set up shop here assuming we all live in Igloos and make minimum wage...I can pretty much guarantee they did some research, but their hands will likely be tied in other regulatory areas. You also can't just bring up any product you want and have the Canadian Targets mirror the US ones or vise versa.

    Target is OK, it doesn't really stand out, but I have gone there for some things and find it to be roughly on par with WalMart, Super Store, etc. for odds and ends. There's always lots of people in the Chinook one. They have that just-in-time inventory scheme that always makes the place look half empty like Wal Mart and Superstore, but there are some decent deals there still depending on what you're looking for.

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    Originally posted by Jinx
    All of the stores being closed are in the US, they aren't closing any Canadian stores.

    The company is actually doing better in Canada, now. When they first came here, they made the mistake of hiring "fresh from business school" people to manage the stores and company. They've been making a big push all year to bring in experienced management from other retail chains and it's helping.
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    I love Target for the simple fact that there is seldom a line-up. Line-ups at Wal-Mart became so brutal I gave up on that place for years, Superstore is worse. I'm buying a lot of stuff on-line now, become less social everyday, haha.

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    Originally posted by BigMass


    American business think that Canadians are such desperate and isolated 3rd worlders that they will clamor in huge lineups just to get a taste of their jesus-juice like brands. They're ignorant and have no understanding of what Canadians want or need. Product selection being a huge part of the failure of almost every US business coming to Canada. They think that it's normal to have huge selection and options for broke $10k/year minimum wage / food stamp American consumers, but its ok to bring generic boring crap that you can buy anywhere to cater to $100k/year Canadian consumers. If anything, in a place like Calgary where people make a lot of money, we should get MORE selection than most places in the US. More variety, more eclectic and niche goods. They will still ignore this fact and run crying back home to the US confused and perplexed by the mysterious Canadian consumer that didn't empty their wallets to more of their generic crap.
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    Originally posted by Jinx
    All of the stores being closed are in the US, they aren't closing any Canadian stores.

    The company is actually doing better in Canada, now. When they first came here, they made the mistake of hiring "fresh from business school" people to manage the stores and company. They've been making a big push all year to bring in experienced management from other retail chains and it's helping.
    Additionally the stores being closed are often within 5 miles of another location or were recently displaced by a SuperTarget being built nearby.

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    So was Zellers better then Target as for price etc?

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    Default Target is closing in Canada

    Just announced a few minutes ago, hasn't hit the "news" yet

    Article from a few days ago
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    Missed the target?

    Ok I didn't put too much effort into it.

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