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    Quote Originally Posted by googe View Post
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    No chance of the flames moving. A team vacancy would have a new investment group swooping in like vultures for a market like Calgary. Sports teams are a vanity business anyway, no way it should use public funding.
    Swooping in like vultures to what? Pay the NHL $650 million for an expansion fee on top of another $400 million to build an arena? You seriously overestimate the willingness of billionaires to part with their money for a largely non-profit hobby venture. Historically few have ever stepped up in this city to purchase sports franchises as the Flames had to purchase both the Roughnecks and Stampeders because neither could find stable ownership. If the Flames ownership were to sell we would be looking at the very least the same amount of down time as Winnipeg without the Jets as the arena situation complicates another team coming as every year it gets older and older and any new prospective owner isn't going to commit to this market until he's been assured that the city/province will work with them to build a new arena. Sure Nenshi will not likely be around next term but still it takes a while for these projects to get off the ground.
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    Not directly related but it looks like Katz is putting the money he saved from getting the City of Edmonton to pay for his arena to good use https://www.thescore.com/news/1437966

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    Not directly related but it looks like Katz is putting the money he saved from getting the City of Edmonton to pay for his arena to good use https://www.thescore.com/news/1437966
    As much as I despise the Oilers, that's a terrible conclusion. The guy made his money elsewhere, worth billions, that had nothing to do with the Oilers.
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    1) Holy fucking shit @ 750K PER MONTH lease.... that view though

    2) :ROFL: at all the comment online about guys saying thanks for taking Edmontons money or we paid for this

    3) at the people who think they saved him money, I'm sure he could have sold the franchise and come out way ahead if he felt like it

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    https://www.thescore.com/news/1533989

    After talks between the city and the Calgary Flames on a new arena project went sideways in September, some councillors have begun efforts to renew negotiations with the hockey club.

    Led by councillor Jeff Davison, and sponsored by a strong majority of Calgary council, a motion will be filed in hopes of renewing talks with the Flames. The motion does not require the support of Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi, one of the loudest voices in the last round of failed negotiations.

    Also not mentioned anywhere, 2 council members were added to the CMLC board last week. Previously Nenshi was the sole city council representative. I remember seeing an earlier version of an article where he made some snide remarks about not being the only voice for the city anymore (as you would expect from Nenshi). No sausage quote though.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...bers-1.4624320

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    Nothing is going to happen. Even if the city builds a new Vic Park arena with enough additional premium seating revenue and give the Flames a sweetheart deal, it’ll be a short term 10 or so year solution until there isn’t enough new revenue to outpace salary growth. We’re too small of a market to demand big city prices to have only ticket and TV revenue for projected growth. For Canada teams anyways.

    There needs to be enough non hockey revenue to cover the gap, which is what Edmonton ended up with for Katz developing the ice district. Flames wanted the same thing with CalgaryNext. There’s no potential for Flames development in Vic Park. They need that for long term commitment. Vic Park was just a sideshow for Flames to make silly demands that would never be accepted because that’s not sustainable long term.
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    The Calgary Next site had no potential for Flames development either, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    The Calgary Next site had no potential for Flames development either, though.
    Good thing I took pics at the event. Flames have pretty much wiped any details of the project offline.

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    Yeah that's what they wanted to do, but they don't own any of the land. It isn't theirs to develop. It's no different than Victoria Park. They wanted to be given the development rights to the land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kertejud2 View Post
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    Yeah that's what they wanted to do, but they don't own any of the land. It isn't theirs to develop. It's no different than Victoria Park. They wanted to be given the development rights to the land.
    The difference is there's land for them to purchase in West Village. Not so in Vic Park. Nenshi's "A Bold Plan" pretty much earmarked any remaining development potential for his entertainment district. As soon as the entertainment district plan was released by Nenshi, Flames walked away for this exact reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post
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    The difference is there's land for them to purchase in West Village. Not so in Vic Park. Nenshi's "A Bold Plan" pretty much earmarked any remaining development potential for his entertainment district. As soon as the entertainment district plan was released by Nenshi, Flames walked away for this exact reason.
    The city owns the land in the West Village, and don't want any development there to cannibalize what they have going on in the East Village and Vic Park (which is why CSEC were told to not bother with a West Village location before they went with NEXT). The Flames sure as hell aren't going to buy the land themselves and then be saddled with the remediation responsibility (and the mechanism the city would use to pay for that remediation the Flames want the city to use to pay for the arena). They want to be given it to develop, not buy it. The city wants to control the development timeline of the West Village and that isn't until after the East Village and Vic Park are done their CRL cycle.
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    https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...at-550-million

    Arena project could cost up to $600 million: CMLC

    Meghan Potkins, Calgary Herald
    Updated: December 15, 2018


    Calgary’s city council won’t decide until early next year whether public dollars will help fund the construction of a new arena to replace the aging Saddledome, but new estimates for the project suggest the total cost could reach $600 million.

    The Calgary Municipal Land Corp. told a council committee Friday that a new arena would cost between $550 million and $600 million, based on estimates provided by contractors and discussions with the owners of the Calgary Flames.

    The estimates don’t include the cost of land and represent a slight increase from the price tag floated previously for the “Plan B” proposal to locate an arena in the parking lot hinterland north of Stampede Park.

    Flames’ owners haven’t said whether they concur with CMLC’s estimate, though Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corp. provided conceptual drawings of a 20,000-seat building by architectural firm Rossetti for CMLC to review.

    “I’m very confident that we can deliver a really good building for the citizens of Calgary, as well as Calgary Sports and Entertainment, for that number — it’s a strong number,” said CMLC president Michael Brown.

    Committee members also spent part of the meeting evaluating plans for Ernst and Young to conduct an economic impact assessment of the proposed entertainment and cultural district in Victoria Park, including a look at the potential benefits and drawbacks of using public dollars to expand BMO Centre and construct a new arena.

    Some councillors have zealously used the term “event centre,” rather than “arena,” arguing it more accurately describes the “broader” uses a new facility could have.

    Coun. Druh Farrell told committee members she wasn’t clear on the distinction between the two.

    “I’m trying to understand the difference,” Farrell said. “I just wondered if it’s a nicer way of saying ‘an arena’?”

    Several attempts to clarify the question in council chambers failed, but following the meeting Brown told reporters the new event centre could include pop-up gallery space and multi-purpose rooms that could be rented for performances and events.

    “That’s what, in my mind, makes it an events centre,” Brown said. “I know there’s question marks, but if it was just an arena, that’s not enough. We need to have far more.”

    The committee meeting saw a number of council members, including the mayor, question plans to conduct an economic impact assessment of the project.

    Calgary Economic Development has hired Ernst and Young to carry out the study, which could be completed by late January. The firm said it plans to compare Calgary’s proposed district to “similar” developments in Edmonton, Columbus and Nashville.

    But regardless of the study’s outcome, Mayor Naheed Nenshi pointed out there are at least three major capital projects that fall within the redevelopment boundary for Victoria Park where the entertainment district would be located.

    Council will have to decide whether to allocate funds to an arena, an expansion of BMO Centre or an expansion of Arts Commons — or a combination of the three.

    “What I’m really interested in is, what are the impacts of those singly? And what are the overlap impacts that multiply when you have them all in one district?” Nenshi said. “I think if we can figure that out, that really helps us make a decision.”

    A number of funding sources could be available to bankroll the creation of an entertainment district. The city has approximately $300 million to spend on a major project over the next few years, says city manager Jeff Fielding.

    An expansion of the convention centre could be eligible for provincial and federal funding. And future revenue from an extension of the community revitalization levy could be applied to one of the projects. The city could also borrow the money if council elects to take on more than one project at once.

    Committee chair Jeff Davison said he wants council to fund an expansion of BMO Centre and help construct a new arena as part of a larger investment in an entertainment and cultural district.

    “The investment the city’s going to place there is really showing we’ve got skin in the game here and it’s going to set the tone for the private sector to come to the table,” Davison said.

    “I think Calgary needs a win. We have a strategic investment opportunity that’s before us and right now that’s where we need to look at starting to create value as a city. You can’t just roll over and do nothing.”

    Council is expected to make a decision on which projects it will prioritize over the next four years at a strategic meeting on Jan. 28.

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    Same arguments used as when they were trying to get the Olympics.

    They just don't give up eh?

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    finally, get some people in there other than Nenshi and things start happening!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    finally, get some people in there other than Nenshi and things start happening!
    Lol, Nenshi is in there (just being quieter). It's King and CSEC who isn't in there, with CMLC taking the reigns on actually selling a project.

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    ..other than (just) Nenshi... at least there are a few other city voices present instead of the purple passionfruit sewering everything for a second time.

    How is CSEC not there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    finally, get some people in there other than Nenshi and things start happening!
    What's happening? Just studies and bullshit by people paid to do studies and spew bullshit.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    fair enough! maybe a little over excited, but I have a way better feeling about the whole thing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtsniffer View Post
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    How is CSEC not there?
    It's not their job to develop Victoria Park, CMLC are the only ones that need to be there until decisions are actually made on what projects they should go through on. All CSEC is right now is a potential partner in a conceptual project that isn't prioritized or funded yet. Basically they don't need to come in until it's officially decided the city wants to pursue an arena (er, event centre) project.

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    CMLC does have some levers to pull to finance redevelopment projects, so that's a positive sign I guess. I think it'll happen eventually.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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