I don’t pay CoC taxes but have Flames season tickets...I must be the one of the few people adding to the local economy!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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I wonder if this will help with the condo prices over the next decade. Literally some condos there are going to be right in front of the arena.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I would have rather paid more for flames ticketsThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
If you think I have been trying to present myself as intellectually superior, then you truly are a dimwit.
Originally posted by Toma
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I imagine they’re gonna go up. If Edmonton is any indicator, that arena actually was a huge part of the new development downtown.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The difference is, we're already subsiding the Rivers District buildout, with or without the arena there.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Originally posted by SEANBANERJEE
I have gone above and beyond what I should rightfully have to do to protect my good name
If Edmonton is any indicator, you'll have a flood of new condos drag the values down and be waiting on the economy to return.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You're lumping the province's take into that $32.5M. The province generously forfeited their claim on that money during the CRL period, which is one of the perks about them for a city. It also only affects the new development, with the argument being that private investment wouldn't come without that investment. Any previous existing tax revenue goes into general coffers. This argument holds some water in the case of the River's District as a major use of the CRL was for remediation which was a major hurdle for private investment in the area (in addition to general infrastructure upgrades). So the city is only 'giving up' $25.1M per year, but it is getting ~$7.4M/year more than it would in any other area with that increased valuation. At the end of the levy period, that $25.1M still goes back into general city revenue with the assumption being that it wouldn't have existed in the first place without that grace period of directing property tax to fund capital upgrade loans so it would be a net gain for city revenue in the end.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If a CRL doesn't fund itself, that's when it is indeed robbing from the rest of the city, and that doesn't look to be the case with the Rivers District (albeit they basically cheated by including The Bow site into it, but a funded CRL is better than an unfunded one).
CRLs (and TIFsin general) are just a way to manipulate (easily manipulated) citizens.
"If we only fix this blight, then otherwise locked away investments will flood into the city!"
We will never be Detroit. Detroit died because cities in the USA can offer their own debt. Luckily the morons that run our cities aren't allowed to do that.
I believe the Flames would have been gone within a 5-10 year span without a new rink, at least with this plan the city could come close to breaking even. While not perfect, Im gald its done and we can all move on. (Until it goes over budget and causes more ruckus.. but who knows if that will be made public.)
My other hope is that since this is approved, there will be some motivation (sub-cautiously or not) to try to build an arena even better than Edmonton's
I don't want no arena where people go "Yeah Calgary built a new arena and it's alright, but not as good as Edmonton's".
Pretty sure that'll happen too!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
True story.
Coles notes, whenever the City of Calgary is involved, expect to pay more
Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
If you think I have been trying to present myself as intellectually superior, then you truly are a dimwit.
Originally posted by Toma
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Encouraging investment in an area is what will fix blight, not the other way around. I don't expect you to understand the difference, though.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Edmonton's new arena is a piece of shit. Lots of bathrooms though and the second tier is up about where the nosebleeds are in the Saddledome, so it's good for the owners.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Encouraging is fine. Get out yer pom pomsThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
So for those against this happening meanwhile your counsellor voted Yes, is that enough for you to turf them next election?
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Honestly, we should turf pretty much every Councillor and start fresh. Rookies could hard fuck up this city more.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Woolley is an interesting case. Came in as a hyper-progressive and rather positive, seems like he's slowly starting to realize that all of council and the mayor are on the take. Will probably be booted out next term.
I think my favorite was this morning and Nenshi saying that 'the 2017 election was really a plebiscite on the stadium'... But he was against it during that election, and won.. soooooo wtf