TransAsia crash in Taiwan - Hits bridge and falls into river

[lilmira]

Someone's got to make shoes for us. Ok it's not China, close enough.

Jokes aside, I don't know what I would do in that situation. It might take me a minute to comprehend WTF just happened. No one's hurt on the bridge, stopping doesn't really do much other than selfie opportunity.

[shakalaka]

Weird...video doesn't work anymore.

[rage2]

Here's another even better one.

[revelations]

Originally posted by speedog
What's odd in videos like the one above is those people in the other vehicles obviously saw what had just happened and chose to just keep driving. Apparently, compassion for what might've happened to the people in the taxi or the people on the plane just doesn't rate high enough as compared to what compels them to just keep going on their merry way.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...oman-in-peril/

China's bystander problem is pervasive but complex enough that everyone has a theory for it. Perhaps the most popular is shao guan xian shi, an aphorism that roughly translates as "mind your own business," which deters both interfering and helping others. Lijia Zhang explained in a much-circulated Guardian piece (hat tip again to Fallows):

The fundamental problem, in my view, lies in one word that describes a state of mind: shaoguanxianshi, meaning don't get involved if it's not your business. In our culture, there's a lack of willingness to show compassion to strangers. We are brought up to show kindness to people in our network of guanxi, family and friends and business associates, but not particularly to strangers, especially if such kindness may potentially damage your interest.

[Tik-Tok]

Is there a chinese word for North America's approach of "I'd rather take photo's with my phone than actually do anything to help"?

[rage2]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
Is there a chinese word for North America's approach of "I'd rather take photo's with my phone than actually do anything to help"?

吃蕉

[yobi5888]

搵食姐,犯法啊!!

[01RedDX]

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[rage2]

FDR data:



Timelines here:

http://avherald.com/h?article=48145bb3

And here:

http://focustaiwan.tw/news/asoc/201502060015.aspx

Looks like right engine (#2) failed and they shut down the wrong engine (left #1). When engine #2 failed they were still climbing but at a slower rate, so the plane definately could fly on 1 engine.

[95EagleAWD]

Wow. That is an OUTRAGEOUS error for a flight crew with almost 20,000 combined hours to make.

[lilmira]

Aiya, Wong engine!

[rage2]

Another interesting note, #2 engine doesn't seem to have flamed out. The oil pressure never changed and fuel flow never zero'd, so it just dropped to idle for whatever reason when the warning triggered.

[95EagleAWD]

Yeah but everything dumps on engine two. ITT dumps, the prop goes into beta (feathered) and the fuel flow and NP2 (N2? Turbine speed?) drops. Something stopped working in that engine.

[sillysod]

with all these Asian planes going down I'm starting to think pearl harbor was an accident

[rage2]

Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Yeah but everything dumps on engine two. ITT dumps, the prop goes into beta (feathered) and the fuel flow and NP2 (N2? Turbine speed?) drops. Something stopped working in that engine.

NP is propeller speed. Yea, I was just curious what caused engine 2 to stop working and drop to idle.

PLA is power lever, and you can see the pilots ramp down power on engine one (the working engine) 4 times until it shut down, probably SOP for shutting down a failed engine. That's when the plane started to drop since both engines weren't generating any thrust at that point.

They did get engine 1 refired near the end of the trace, but by that time it was too late.

[bjstare]

That is absolutely terrifying to see pilots (apparently) making mistakes like that. Looks like if I want to visit asia, I'll fly to europe and then roadtrip there in order to stay alive

[revelations]

Meanwhile, the pilot was lauded as a hero for missing the res building.

(and then secures the wrong engine)

[rage2]

One of you pilots might be able to explain this one, but on the graph at 02:54:28, the pilots pulled throttle back on failed engine #2, and it looks like it started to recover. Any reasoning or speculation behind that?

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by rage2
One of you pilots might be able to explain this one, but on the graph at 02:54:28, the pilots pulled throttle back on failed engine #2, and it looks like it started to recover. Any reasoning behind that?

Just like a car engine, too much fuel will get you no where. Back to idle, and if there's still any kind of flame still sputtering there, it'll possibly re-ignite.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
Just like a car engine, too much fuel will get you no where. Back to idle, and if there's still any kind of flame still sputtering there, it'll possibly re-ignite.

That's the weird thing, fuel flow on #2 is low as soon as it "failed". When they pulled back on the power, fuel flow started going up.

Trying to understand the actual engine #2 failure there.