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technically, yes.Originally posted by sabad66
dang, i wonder what they would say if i they found my SD card with downloaded episodes that i watch on the plane. Do they charge you with copyright infringement?
or do they ignore pirated media and only looking for child porn/bomb making guides/etc?
this is why I wipe everything clean.
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What would representation do? Under the Customs Act they are allowed to search, a lawyer will advice you that. They can't give you any advice that is illegal.Originally posted by spikerS
I can understand being more scruitiny on non residents of Canada. However, in Canada you are guaranteed some rights and freedoms that the CBSA has the ability to ignore.
In fact, the CBSA has more power over you than any other Canadian Police force, or even CSIS.
There also does not appear to be any checks and balances for how the CBSA operates, and in most cases, the CBSA operates outside of normal Canadian laws.
As a person going through ANY of the CBSA processes, you do not have the right to have any kind of representation. Even during secondary or at any point past that until they hand the case over to the courts.
I am going to be following this case closely. I don't mind keeping the country safe, but there needs to be some rules to what and how they do, as they can pretty much act with impunity.
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Representation would be there to tell you that they can search but also to verify that they have reasonable cause to do so. Big difference for cops to lie to buddy and lieing to buddy AND his lawyer if it ever ended up in court.
Everything goes much more smoothly when people are governing themselves accordingly.
its also a question of right as canadians are granted right to representation and avoid self incrimination and that the border does not really seem to be a legitimate justification for voiding those rights. Regardless of how things are.
Which is all the more reaosn why its good this is going in front of judges.
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But cops don't talk to the lawyer. You get to call one and tell him what is going on and he will advise you, basically they will tell you to say nothing and that's it. We aren't like the States where you can request your lawyer to be present. All we get is a phone call.
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Reasonable grounds and "justification" don't apply here. These aren't police and aren't governed by the same rules the police are.Originally posted by killramos
Representation would be there to tell you that they can search but also to verify that they have reasonable cause to do so. Big difference for cops to lie to buddy and lieing to buddy AND his lawyer if it ever ended up in court.
Everything goes much more smoothly when people are governing themselves accordingly.
its also a question of right as canadians are granted right to representation and avoid self incrimination and that the border does not really seem to be a legitimate justification for voiding those rights. Regardless of how things are.
Which is all the more reaosn why its good this is going in front of judges.
They aren't challenging the authority of the CBSA to conduct searches, that is over and done with. This only deals with whether or not you need to give them the password.
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Are they asking for the password or are they asking to people to login for them? I wouldn't have an issue logging in for them but i don't like the idea of giving them my password. I guess it's possible that your password can be something like hailb!nl@den or something like that. Also a secondary search means nothing. I've gotten them many times beacuse apparently the machine selected me for a random search but I never had my laptop or phone searched
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CBSA is ok not having password as long as they have access from my experience.Originally posted by botox
Are they asking for the password or are they asking to people to login for them? I wouldn't have an issue logging in for them but i don't like the idea of giving them my password. I guess it's possible that your password can be something like hailb!nl@den or something like that. Also a secondary search means nothing. I've gotten them many times beacuse apparently the machine selected me for a random search but I never had my laptop or phone searched
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Anyone ever watch the CBSA t.v show?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgIhI5hMyFU
It can be found on youtube, it's pretty interesting, there was a case where a Canadian was coming back and they wanted his laptop password... That sure escalated
They are 20minute episodes and it's pretty interesting, I'm not sure why they would make a T.V show out of this but it's a good time waster, I've only seen like 6-7 episodes of it...
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so if we only seen 5 % of the oceans why not drain them or somethin lol or can u even transfer water from one ocean to another??? think of all the stuff u'd findtreasures n eerything.
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Its on tv everydayOriginally posted by Kobe
Anyone ever watch the CBSA t.v show?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgIhI5hMyFU
It can be found on youtube, it's pretty interesting, there was a case where a Canadian was coming back and they wanted his laptop password... That sure escalated
They are 20minute episodes and it's pretty interesting, I'm not sure why they would make a T.V show out of this but it's a good time waster, I've only seen like 6-7 episodes of it...
That guy was being a dick.
I've been searched lots of times. Got red flagged years ago. They stopped searching me before 7 years was up after I kept going thru secondary with everything I bought and receipts at the top of my bag. They saw I learned my lesson. Wasn't my fault, for the record. haha. Had phone laptop searched. Coming back from vegas once they searched my laptop. Forgot I my gf at the time and I were blasting some porn and just closed lid, didn't end video. They logged on to some porn full volume. Ironically last time I got searched.
Moral of story, have porn playing before you go through customs. Was a good laugh, search ended quickly.
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Your logic is painfully circular.Originally posted by lasimmon
So guy acts suspicious gets taken to secondary assessment, is still suspicious.. has to have his phone checked
Don't want your phone checked? Don't be an idiot.
Not wanting to have his data under scrutiny is suspicious, and justification to scrutinize his data?
*THIS* is how freedoms get lost.
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Originally posted by ryder_23
Its on tv everyday
That guy was being a dick.
I've been searched lots of times. Got red flagged years ago. They stopped searching me before 7 years was up after I kept going thru secondary with everything I bought and receipts at the top of my bag. They saw I learned my lesson. Wasn't my fault, for the record. haha. Had phone laptop searched. Coming back from vegas once they searched my laptop. Forgot I my gf at the time and I were blasting some porn and just closed lid, didn't end video. They logged on to some porn full volume. Ironically last time I got searched.
Moral of story, have porn playing before you go through customs. Was a good laugh, search ended quickly.
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What the hell are they actually looking for??Originally posted by Xtrema
But agent was searching web cache folders and browser history and all.
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Ha, I've seen every episode of that show and that guy was what I immediately thought of when I first heard this story. It's actually REALLY tame compared to the original Australian version or an equivalent British version (e.g. in the British version, a customs officer and the narrator were mocking a fraudulent visa applicant who wanted to see "Birmingham Palace"Originally posted by Kobe
Anyone ever watch the CBSA t.v show?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgIhI5hMyFU
It can be found on youtube, it's pretty interesting, there was a case where a Canadian was coming back and they wanted his laptop password... That sure escalated
They are 20minute episodes and it's pretty interesting, I'm not sure why they would make a T.V show out of this but it's a good time waster, I've only seen like 6-7 episodes of it...)
If you've got time to kill this episode shows how crazy the Australian version of Border Security is...check out what the Singaporean guy travelling to Sydney via Kuala Lumpur is travelling with (!!). You could say that he was lucky he was caught with that stuff in Australia instead of Singapore or Malaysia
I was only sent to secondary once (here at YYC in December 2010) but I think that was only because the initial CBSA agent was too lazy to ask me any questions (she said nothing and just scribbled something on my declaration card that got me sent to secondary). The guy in secondary only looked at one of my bags and seemed more interested in hearing that I was coming back from Singapore (his place of birth). Didn't have my electronics looked at at all...
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He said child porn. Agent was polite and professional and just doing what he was trained for and told to do (except he checked IE and I use firefox and he didn't really check that). No issue from me. It's not like he's copying my HD or anything, just a visual check.Originally posted by Inzane
What the hell are they actually looking for??
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They're just fucking nosey bastards. They hire powertripping morons. Not all of them of course, a lot of them are great. But there are some that will dig around just because they can. Looking for child porn is such a dumb excuse to snoop on everyone's stuff. Very glad this is being challenged.
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Like I can actually remember every password all the time any time.
Worst one ever is a "Microsoft super secret password". Non-negotiable NDA 42-digit password, fourty two digit - LOL.
When I say that I don't remember a password on a project I worked two weeks ago on, its not a lie.
If they are going to throw people in jail for it, they are going to have to start throwing a lot of 70 year olds for senility.
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Come on now. You know it was something else that made them suspicious. They didn't just say "lets check your phone" to start things off.Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow
Your logic is painfully circular.
Not wanting to have his data under scrutiny is suspicious, and justification to scrutinize his data?
*THIS* is how freedoms get lost.
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