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    Originally posted by benyl


    BS. I was in California last week and gas was $4+ gallon. It's $100 bbl costs everywhere.

    Gas is slightly lower this week at around $3.70
    Not everywhere....

    Cali is expensive, but many states are under $2.50.

    Though they are anticipating an increase, as some refinery is down on output apparently.

    Some bullshit like that.

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    Originally posted by ExtraSlow

    So your basic problem is that you can't control the profit margin of a private business?
    Not at all. Call a spade a spade, don't beat around the bush and try and make it seem like "you" (whomever that may be, a ceo, the company that ceo works for, etc) have no control over it.

    I have no problem with people making money, never have, never will. By my spreadsheets, there is money to be made supplying gas 5, 10, up to 20c/L cheaper (depending on volume, of course) then what it currently sells for. I don't have the capital at this time to test this out unfortunately.

    So, what else do you call that besides gouging? You're argument is that the companies are doing what companies do, earn money, my argument is that the companies have forced us to pay what they want us to pay (because fuel for vehicles is a need, not a want in this day and age). When prices across all brands and competitors follow in lockstep, its anti-competitive (and there are laws against it for a reason) and shows how the companies are being allowed to fleece us.

    As always, somehow there is a double standard on how businesses and customers should operate, which makes little sense

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    Originally posted by HiTempguy1


    Not at all. Call a spade a spade, don't beat around the bush and try and make it seem like "you" (whomever that may be, a ceo, the company that ceo works for, etc) have no control over it.

    I have no problem with people making money, never have, never will. By my spreadsheets, there is money to be made supplying gas 5, 10, up to 20c/L cheaper (depending on volume, of course) then what it currently sells for. I don't have the capital at this time to test this out unfortunately.

    So, what else do you call that besides gouging? You're argument is that the companies are doing what companies do, earn money, my argument is that the companies have forced us to pay what they want us to pay (because fuel for vehicles is a need, not a want in this day and age). When prices across all brands and competitors follow in lockstep, its anti-competitive (and there are laws against it for a reason) and shows how the companies are being allowed to fleece us.

    As always, somehow there is a double standard on how businesses and customers should operate, which makes little sense
    Most of these companies are publicly traded. If you think they are making to much money or that their profits are that out of whack invest in them. You will clearly double your money on chevron stock in a couple months.
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    Originally posted by sputnik
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    Just talked to some Americans on another forums, they have UNDER $2 a gallon in the SW!

    Crazy.

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    Hey guys, i filled the truck up with gas at 96 cents a liter a couple days ago. This 1.22 business is GOUGING. GOUGING i tell you.
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    Originally posted by killramos


    Most of these companies are publicly traded. If you think they are making to much money or that their profits are that out of whack invest in them. You will clearly double your money on chevron stock in a couple months.
    Refinery profits are actually doing ok: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-br...osts-1.3178429

    Even if you factor in the exchange rate, US gasoline prices are dramatically cheaper than they are here. The current average price in South Carolina is 72 Canadian cents per liter today.

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    Western Canadian Select Sour Heavy Crude down to $23 a barell.

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    Originally posted by Toma


    Just talked to some Americans on another forums, they have UNDER $2 a gallon in the SW!

    Crazy.
    meanwhile I paid $3.30 per gallon in Washington a few days ago.
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    Originally posted by Toma


    Just talked to some Americans on another forums, they have UNDER $2 a gallon in the SW!

    Crazy.
    SW? You mean SE? How did that gas station not run dry?

    http://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPriceMap

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    Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2


    meanwhile I paid $3.30 per gallon in Washington a few days ago.
    Aren't all the refinaries down in that region? Check out all that green....


    http://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPriceMap

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    Originally posted by Xtrema


    SW? You mean SE? How did that gas station not run dry?

    http://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPriceMap
    hahaha, yeah, sorry.

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    Originally posted by Toma

    Aren't all the refinaries down in that region? Check out all that green....


    http://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPriceMap
    Yeah, most of US refineries are down by the gulf region. Didn't bother to look it up, it's probably close 30%. So they have a lot more products than people and ships a lot of that surplus overseas.

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    Last edited by Cos; 12-28-2016 at 02:42 PM.
    Originally posted by adam c

    Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta
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    yeah,

    It took a gulf war #1 to hit a spike in 91 and price stuck under $20 for the 14 year since 86. It took 9/11, Gulf war 2, China to get us to current level.
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    Last edited by Cos; 12-28-2016 at 02:41 PM.
    Originally posted by adam c

    Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta
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    I wonder how a long term low oil is going to effect Calgary's lifestyle and entertainment businesses.

    Can see a lot of bar and restaurant closures coming.
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    Originally posted by adamc
    Can see a lot of bar and restaurant closures coming.
    A lot of fancy restaurants closed up in 2009.

    Still think tightened business expenses hurt them more than reduction on personal expenditure.

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    Originally posted by HiTempguy1

    I have no problem with people making money, never have, never will. By my spreadsheets, there is money to be made supplying gas 5, 10, up to 20c/L cheaper (depending on volume, of course) then what it currently sells for. I don't have the capital at this time to test this out unfortunately.

    So, what else do you call that besides gouging? You're argument is that the companies are doing what companies do, earn money, my argument is that the companies have forced us to pay what they want us to pay (because fuel for vehicles is a need, not a want in this day and age). When prices across all brands and competitors follow in lockstep, its anti-competitive (and there are laws against it for a reason) and shows how the companies are being allowed to fleece us.

    As always, somehow there is a double standard on how businesses and customers should operate, which makes little sense


    Yeah a classic misunderstanding of how things work once again... So if you factor in exchanges rates for the price of gas along with the taxes that are added for fuel in Canada/Alberta. You will find the price of gas is surprisingly close to the price of fuel in the US.

    Starting with http://www.montanagasprices.com/ @ 2.65USD$/gal 2015-08-18
    Price of gas in Montana: 2.65USD$/gal
    In Litres: 0.70USD$/litre
    To CND: 0.92CND$/litre @ 1.31 2015-08-18
    With Federal Excise Fuel Tax: 1.02CND$/litre
    With Alberta Provincial Fuel Tax: 1.11CND$/litre
    Ending with http://www.calgarygasprices.com/ @ 111.9 Costco 2015-08-18

    So we are being gouged 1cent per litre?

    This is ignoring any taxes on fuel in Montana but your plan to buy tankers of gas seems a little foolish.

    If we factor out Montana taxes(27cents per gallon) then it's a differential of 1.02CND$/litre states side price without including importation costs into Canada. I don't really think there is much horrendous gouging going on here. Most of the price difference is coming in the form of taxes.

    Edit: From what I recall posted prices include GST so the difference is made even less between the US and CND prices. So we would have 1.17CND$/litre with Montana Tax or 1.07CND$/litre without Montana taxes.
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