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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    Part sarcastic, part serious. Removing CO2 from the air certainly doesn't seem to have any real effect on the environment from a scientific standpoint. But like you said, we have proven we can accomplish CO2 capture. So if that is the main issue the government has, than why don't we just start adding CO2 capture to every project and then rubber stamping them?
    Because it's not really about CO2. It's about "BIG OIL". People are pissed that they have to pay $1.50 for gas. People think they can slap on some solar panels on their house and they can go tell the utility company to go fuck themselves. Because people are utter fucking morons. People think everybody can buy a Tesla and they can cavort around charging their battery for $2/month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    Why bother? Just sequester CO2. The technology is now proven and it's getting cheaper all the time.
    That doesn’t help when the product is used for fuel and burnt elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darell_n View Post
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    That doesn’t help when the product is used for fuel and burnt elsewhere.
    What the hell am I reading?

    So it becomes carbon positive when it's burnt elsewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    What the hell am I reading?

    So it becomes carbon positive when it's burnt elsewhere?
    I’m assuming carbon capture is going to take place at the point of production, which would satisfy the government emission limits. Carbon capture will not help when the fuel is burnt later on, which is why protesters want the oil to stay in the ground. Two different concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darell_n View Post
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    I’m assuming carbon capture is going to take place at the point of production, which would satisfy the government emission limits. Carbon capture will not help when the fuel is burnt later on, which is why protesters want the oil to stay in the ground. Two different concerns.
    No, what I'm saying is that the amount of CO2 put back in covers even burning. It's truly carbon negative.

    https://www.iea.org/commentaries/can...n-negative-oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    No, what I'm saying is that the amount of CO2 put back in covers even burning. It's truly carbon negative.

    https://www.iea.org/commentaries/can...n-negative-oil
    Don't try to math your way out of a problem that is 100% based on feelings. It feels like it's better if the oil stays in the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Don't try to math your way out of a problem that is 100% based on feelings. It feels like it's better if the oil stays in the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    Best meme ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    No, what I'm saying is that the amount of CO2 put back in covers even burning. It's truly carbon negative.

    https://www.iea.org/commentaries/can...n-negative-oil
    Classic pyramid scheme. I’m sure Amway memberships come up out of the ground with the negative-carbon oil too.

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    Its lithium NICKEL cobalt, don't forget the nickel.

    That being said: Its not like you actually burn the cobalt and it dissipates into the atmosphere. If properly recovered, you literally can re-melt and pass down your lithium batteries to your grandkids. Where as all you pass down to your kids with carbon is lung cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darell_n View Post
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    Classic pyramid scheme. I’m sure Amway memberships come up out of the ground with the negative-carbon oil too.
    If carbon emissions was the problem, this would be a legitimate solution. There exists the technology to remove carbon dioxide from ambient air in a fairly efficient manner.

    However, I am not convinced that atmospheric carbon dioxide is the reason people want to shut down petroleum extraction projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darell_n View Post
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    Classic pyramid scheme. I’m sure Amway memberships come up out of the ground with the negative-carbon oil too.
    Your gaslighting makes flares in Texas look positively tiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darell_n View Post
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    I’m assuming carbon capture is going to take place at the point of production, which would satisfy the government emission limits. Carbon capture will not help when the fuel is burnt later on, which is why protesters want the oil to stay in the ground. Two different concerns.
    No this is not the narrative climate hysterics are pushing. Otherwise they would be protesting in other countries, and not worrying about carbon negative Canada.

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    https://cleantechnica.com/2014/09/04...nds-10-charts/

    I get the feeling this is the year that photovoltaic matches crude in Gigajoules MMBtu "per dollar" at least at "retail solar panel module" pricing. Probably going to see more and more people go battery-less and just do supplementary direct heating in Canada (assuming the new solar panels last at least 10 years, but preferably 25)

    The gigantic downside of having to buy a lead acid battery and controller may no longer be a barrier to solar - In cold climates. IE: If you can heat the baseboards of your basement to 23 Celsius, it will carry over quite a bit into the nighttime into warmth for the entire house. In the two hottest months of the year. Simply turn the switch off the panels. Scary thought that panels may get so cheap that no one thinks twice about shutting them off for a couple months - but we are nearing that strategy and/or somehow figure out a variable Airconditioner that works well at unstable voltages and wattages.

    Preferrably you would have an electric car in the summer with adequate solar controller circuitry that you don't have to run mains voltage to charge up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenOps View Post
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    https://cleantechnica.com/2014/09/04...nds-10-charts/

    I get the feeling this is the year that photovoltaic matches crude in Gigajoules MMBtu "per dollar" at least at "retail solar panel module" pricing. Probably going to see more and more people go battery-less and just do supplementary direct heating in Canada (assuming the new solar panels last at least 10 years, but preferably 25)

    The gigantic downside of having to buy a lead acid battery and controller may no longer be a barrier to solar - In cold climates. IE: If you can heat the baseboards of your basement to 23 Celsius, it will carry over quite a bit into the nighttime into warmth for the entire house. In the two hottest months of the year. Simply turn the switch off the panels. Scary thought that panels may get so cheap that no one thinks twice about shutting them off for a couple months - but we are nearing that strategy and/or somehow figure out a variable Airconditioner that works well at unstable voltages and wattages.

    Preferrably you would have an electric car in the summer with adequate solar controller circuitry that you don't have to run mains voltage to charge up.
    That’s a good idea with the basement, but it sound better in theory.

    My basement is glycol In-floor heated. We sort of use that strategy in the spring/fall months and try to have the furnace hardly work.

    Problem is the basement is not useable in the day. Too hot.
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    The other ducttape way to store solar heat without need of a battery is to simply run it to a closed loop or completely isolated electric hot water tank. Direct electrical heating is trivial, storing the heat in a way that releases heat evenly and slowly - not so much.

    Heating up 40 gallons of water to 140 degrees F would definitely be above scalding, but you probably want a system that is high enough chlorine (or something less corrosive) and temperature to keep the stale water from forming bacteria, or I guess you could just flush the water every so often.

    But it definitely can be done, it might just be a matter of a slightly worse insulated hot water tank (too well insulated means too much hot water makes it to morningtime)





    The appeal of a 100 watt solar panel creating direct heat for 25 years for as much as the sun shines is obvious. I'm testing a $6 thermostatic ceramic heating element as I post this, which is great for moving and concentrating spot heat, but terrible for storing heat (unless of course, I put it under a tank of water)
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5473370

    Not overly surprised by this. But man oh man. Death by 1000 cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vengie View Post
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5473370

    Not overly surprised by this. But man oh man. Death by 1000 cuts.
    I don't understand why Teck would withdraw their application for Frontier when they could wait for Trudeau to kill it and then blame him. It's days away.

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