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    Thumbs up I really like what the NPD is saying

    I like the ideas coming out of that party. Especially the idea of refining more of Alberta resources in province. More jobs and more money for the people of this province.

    I could care less if Texas loses jobs as a result.

    And if the NDP raises corporate taxes a few percentage points, corporations will still have the lowest tax rate in north America.

    NDP for the win.

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    NDP has this plan called, lets spend all this money we don't have, I am guessing they would introduce a PST. The Sturgeon refinery will also open in 2017. It has been very expensive.

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    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
    I like the ideas coming out of that party. Especially the idea of refining more of Alberta resources in province. More jobs and more money for the people of this province.

    I could care less if Texas loses jobs as a result.

    And if the NDP raises corporate taxes a few percentage points, corporations will still have the lowest tax rate in north America.

    NDP for the win.
    You know how much it would cost to refine oil here?? Its not practical...

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    The NDP = a pimple in the face of BC politics during the 90s.

    Refining oil here sounds awesome for from the jobs side, but is a RETARDED idea from a practical and a business sense.

    The NDP would be pushing this here.

    http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/20...hful-thinking/

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    Originally posted by schocker
    NDP has this plan called, lets spend all this money we don't have, I am guessing they would introduce a PST. The Sturgeon refinery will also open in 2017. It has been very expensive.
    It's weird.... I keep hearing folks leving criticisms of this against the NDP, but at this point they only seem like rote talking points.

    The Alberta conservatives spent money they didn't have, and are increasing taxes and reducing services.

    Time to give the NDP a chance?

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    Originally posted by revelations
    The NDP = a pimple in the face of BC politics during the 90s.

    Refining oil here sounds awesome for from the jobs side, but is a RETARDED idea from a practical and a business sense.

    Perhaps. In a sentence, why is it a bad idea to refine our own oil before sending abroad?

    Originally posted by revelations
    http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/20...hful-thinking/ [/B]
    Didn't read the article, but please appreciate that there will be vested interests in us NOT refining our oil abroad, and they will be able to buy press.

    It seems like a no-brainer to me, but please, help me understand...

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    Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow


    Perhaps. In a sentence, why is it a bad idea to refine our own oil before sending abroad?



    Didn't read the article, but please appreciate that there will be vested interests in us NOT refining our oil abroad, and they will be able to buy press.

    It seems like a no-brainer to me, but please, help me understand...
    The cost of building a refinery would not be offset by any extra revenues.

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    at what point do the people become more important than the money?

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    Consider the Fast Ferries idea in BC - the NDP "lets spend 1/2 a billion dollars on 3 ferries (instead of a bridge) and hope it all works out"!!!.

    Common sense went right out the window (in terms on engineering, logistics, long term planning) all in favour of big union labour.

    The ferries were useless - carried less traffic than before, caused shore damage from the wake, etc.

    500 million dollars of BC tax payer money - down the toilet.

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    Originally posted by schocker
    NDP has this plan called, lets spend all this money we don't have, I am guessing they would introduce a PST. The Sturgeon refinery will also open in 2017. It has been very expensive.
    Refineries make gobs of money.

    IMO you are being negative out of fear, instead of being hopeful that a different party can maximize the profit from our resources.

    The PC have cut costs, and those cuts always fall on the lowest. I am done with the PC bullshit about how we have to tighten our belt for a better tomorrow, when that tomorrow never comes.

    In other words, PC memes are meaningless, it is time for the people to get ahead.

    Originally posted by revelations
    Consider the Fast Ferries idea in BC - the NDP "lets spend 1/2 a billion dollars on 3 ferries (instead of a bridge) and hope it all works out"!!!.

    Common sense went right out the window (in terms on engineering, logistics, long term planning) all in favour of big union labour.

    The ferries were useless - carried less traffic than before, caused shore damage from the wake, etc.

    500 million dollars of BC tax payer money - down the toilet.
    500 million wasted? I am pretty sure that people got wages.

    Big Unions? Which big Unions were those? 191? Too Funny.
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    Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow


    Perhaps. In a sentence, why is it a bad idea to refine our own oil before sending abroad?



    Didn't read the article, but please appreciate that there will be vested interests in us NOT refining our oil abroad, and they will be able to buy press.

    It seems like a no-brainer to me, but please, help me understand...
    Read a good analogy comparing refined products to why we export wheat instead of baking our own bread. Similar to Bread refined products have a shelf life were as crude can be stored indefinitely. Also like bread each region will have different tastes or in the case of refined products different standards. Bread would also be a pain in the ass to transport as which is the same as sending refined products is more difficult then crude (it is far more volatile)

    Another couple reasons why it doesn't really make sense:
    1. Refining is a dirty business that I say we leave for the chemical waste lands of Sarnia and the Gulf coast
    2.Just one of the many Gulf coast refineries has more capacity then western Canada combined no sense in trying to compete with the capacity out there

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    Why do people continue to engage Arash2.0?
    Will fuck off, again.

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    Originally posted by MGCM
    at what point do the people become more important than the money?
    And how do you "take care of the people" without the money? Where do you think the money comes from, the tree in the back yard? Like it or not, natural resource revenue runs this province and that's all there is to it.
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    Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta
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    Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
    Refineries make gobs of money.

    IMO you are being negative out of fear, instead of being hopeful that a different party can maximize the profit from our resources.

    The Sturgeon upgrader will have a processing cost of $63/bbl, at current pricing it would not make a profit...

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    Bad idea to put a tarsands refinery here. Low profit, minimal job creation, huge upfront expense.

    We should just ship the tarsands directly to Texas as is, sand and all. We already ship copper to China as a 23% rocky slurry as its too expensive and dirty to refine here.

    Especially this year, and for as many years as the California drought exists:

    Then we could conserve natural gas, and sell natgas straight to the desalination plant in Santa Barbera (which is adjacent to a natgas electricity producer, required to keep the plant running) and other "emergency" natgas power producers that will need to run this year because of low hydroelectric power output because of low water levels. By next year, Hoover dam may be half output, and the only immediate ability to create electricity is natgas as the US did not invest in Coal power plants.

    Water rationing started early, but if it gets hot - California will be electricity rationing as well (Fines for having thermostat set below 25 celsius would be my guess)
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    Originally posted by oster


    The cost of building a refinery would not be offset by any extra revenues.
    I think the big one is pollution. East Edmonton is bad enough as it is

    I'm happy to ship the oil out, and for the record, WE DON'T NEED MORE JOBS, we already have more than enough for Albertans

    Due to the downturn, some people might have to retrain and people who should never have gotten to the positions they currently have hopefully will get sent back down the ladder to a position more appropriate to their talents.

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    This is a bitumen refinery that will produce Diesel just outside of Edmonton. Interesting read. Currently under construction with the project right now. This gives background on the economics of the upgrader.

    http://www.northwestupgrading.com/si...rch%202014.pdf

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