The Confederate Flag: Still at war

[Sugarphreak]

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[vengie]

I understand the sensitive issue surrounding the meaning of the flag. But it truly bothered me when they took the flag down at the Confederate Memorial.

All of those soldiers fought and died for that flag, for a belief they all had. Whether or not it is the correct belief by today's standards is irrelevant.

The sensitivity of the population today is actually disgusting.

[msommers]

The winds of change are strong these days. Southerns have always been sticklers for keeping things the same but it's welcoming to hear these discussions are even taking place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7622334.html

Freedom of expression isn't under attack. Racist as fuck KKK members can still have rallies if they want. But corporate entities can do as they will (ie: conform to the common societal mentality) to remain profitable. Something tells me that Walmart doesn't care if they're racist or not. But taking these flags down could insinuate that they aren't, solely to attract black-coloured customers.

[benyl]

Originally posted by vengie

All of those soldiers fought and died for that flag, for a belief they all had. Whether or not it is the correct belief by today's standards is irrelevant.

The sensitivity of the population today is actually disgusting.

I am guessing you don't support the renaming of the Langevin bridge either then?

[vengie]

Originally posted by benyl


I am guessing you don't support the renaming of the Langevin bridge either then?

Doesn't bother me at all however it isn't relevant in this conversation.

My great granparents were in Residential schools growing up, before they passed away I asked my grandmother about it, to paraphrase she literally said "Yes it was horrible, but I am past it, I am over it, I am the person I am today because of my experiences." She got over it, and so should everyone else, it was in the past.

It also doesn't bother me that the US is trying to abolish the confederate flag, I don't believe in what it stands for either. However it DOES bother me that they are removing it from the Confederate War memorial, which is extremely disrespectful of all the soldiers who fought and died for that flag.

Either way, our history should be embraced, it'll never be changed, putting a bandaid on an issue does nothing. Accept it, move on.

[YCB]

[suntan]

White people and their overt racism.

But now the flag is verboten, so racism is solved!

[Sugarphreak]

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[NoPulp]

I don't agree with removal of the flag where it still has a historical meaning.

The flag should definitely be removed where it's inappropriatly used. If you display the flag it doesn't mean you're redneck/country/cool...

Like wearing clothing with the flag on it, not cool.
Flying the flag off the back of your lifted pick up, not cool.


Especially in canada, wtf.


On the General Lee, well that's an exception. Still cool.

[suntan]

Originally posted by NoPulp
The flag should definitely be removed where it's inappropriatly used.

Isn't that true of basically, well, anything?

[rx7_turbo2]

Removing a flag or re-naming a bridge doesn't rewrite history.

[NoPulp]

Originally posted by suntan
Isn't that true of basically, well, anything?

No. I think if it has a historical meaning, such as a memorial or museum, it's perfectly fine. It's inappropriatly used if it's used to represent something it doesn't truly represent. Such as being a redneck truck driver

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by NoPulp
The flag should definitely be removed where it's inappropriatly used.

And who decides "inappropriate"?

I'm not sure I understand the logic behind "it's appropriate here but not there." If it's appropriate in public at one place why not another?

I wouldn't personally rock a Confed flag, I also wouldn't stroll around wearing a Justin Bieber shirt, but I'm not all that offended when other people do, again rocking the flag or wearing the shirt doesn't change the fact the war happened and Justin Bieber exists.

[NoPulp]

I think it's pretty "black and white" what's appropriate and what's not. Maybe that's just me.

Edit: I didn't mean that racially. *face palm*

[sputnik]

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by NoPulp
I think it's pretty "black and white" what's appropriate and what's not. Maybe that's just me.

It's just you

Nothing is "black and white" about it. It's actually a pretty complicated and emotionally heated scenario. If it was "black and white" would there be this much controversy surrounding it?

[vengie]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


It's just you

Nothing is "black and white" about it. It's actually a pretty complicated and emotionally heated scenario. If it was "black and white" would there be this much controversy surrounding it?

I mean... TECHNICALLY it is "Black" and "White".

[FraserB]

So they want to get rid of the Virginia Battle Flag, not one of flags of the Confederate States of America?

Or are people just calling it the wrong thing?

[suntan]

Originally posted by NoPulp


No. I think if it has a historical meaning, such as a memorial or museum, it's perfectly fine. It's inappropriatly used if it's used to represent something it doesn't truly represent. Such as being a redneck truck driver

You're agreeing with me. Context is important. So what does Amazon not selling the flag have to do with anything?

[NoPulp]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


It's just you

Nothing is "black and white" about it. It's actually a pretty complicated and emotionally heated scenario. If it was "black and white" would there be this much controversy surrounding it?

That doesn't mean anything lol. People can have debates over the stupidest things, especially Americans... but yeah you're right I suppose.