Carbon tax to double.

[InRich]

I told you fools... DONT VOTE NDP. All you did was laugh at me
You guys no idea the kinda hell your about to go through for the next 4 years.

[Type_S1]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


A 20% increase on net profits? Yes.

A 20% increase on my personal income? No.

Its not an apples and apples comparison. The tax increase does not apply to anything except profits, and while a large percentage increase, its a small outright $$ increase.

So the actual running of the company is unaffected, just how large of a bonus the ceo gets :p (I'm kidding, its more complicated then that of course).

You are going to work in the public sector a loooonnnnggg time with that attitude. 20% increase isn't a big deal? You realize that every public company operating in Alberta stock has now dropped as they just lost 20% profit to their shareholder? Do you realize that this is going to impact oil companies the most? Do you realize that these companies can now shift investments to sask., BC, MB, the US and internationally? This is literally going to cripple Albertas economy. How are we going to increase or public sector employees when 50% of the provinces revenue disappears? You should really take some basic economics and business classes and you will realize how fked this is.

And I meant look at the history of the NDP and liberals in Canada as a whole. They have never been successful and left provides worse off every single time. The NDP have never been successful in any province let alone the province that needs a conservative government to promote business.

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[heavyfuel]

The way I understand it seems to me that the big bad oil ballers are butthurt because the NDP are trying to level out the playing field?

I din't vote NDP btw.

[rage2]

There are no big bad oil ballers here, nor are they butthurt because they can shift money and investments away easily. It's the trickle down to the average albertan who are butthurt.

[you&me]

Originally posted by BrknFngrs




This shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone with common sense. The platform may not have said "we want to ramp up taxes" in black and white but it was obvious that their goals couldn't be achieved.

FTFY

[16hypen3sp]

It's more concerning how power companies, fertilizer plants and the like are responding to this carbon tax increase.

When people hear about this new carbon tax regime, they only think about O&G. Well, there's a lot more in AB than O&G that are going to be hurt by this.

[Feruk]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
No they aren't you twat. Quit being a dickhead. Rage even posted their original policies.

So yes, I AM surprised at them wanting to raise the carbon tax asap along with the other increases all stacked together.

I would NOT have been surprised to have seen things like this phased in over the next 4 to 8 years slowly. They are shooting themselves in the feet by doing it to quickly. Like I said, one situation, which I voted for was reasonable. This situation, in my opinion, is not.

They promised to increase corporate tax... and they did so. They promised to focus on environment, and an increase in carbon tax was pretty much implied without spelling it right out.

Also, they are phasing it in between now and 2017.

No need to get all butthurt because you didn't understand what you were voting for. Should've done some more reading.

Originally posted by Type_S1
You are going to work in the public sector a loooonnnnggg time with that attitude. 20% increase isn't a big deal? You realize that every public company operating in Alberta stock has now dropped as they just lost 20% profit to their shareholder? Do you realize that this is going to impact oil companies the most? Do you realize that these companies can now shift investments to sask., BC, MB, the US and internationally? This is literally going to cripple Albertas economy. How are we going to increase or public sector employees when 50% of the provinces revenue disappears? You should really take some basic economics and business classes and you will realize how fked this is.

And I meant look at the history of the NDP and liberals in Canada as a whole. They have never been successful and left provides worse off every single time. The NDP have never been successful in any province let alone the province that needs a conservative government to promote business.

There is one positive case of NDP government in Canada. Not sure if it was Sask or MB, but it's been discussed in other threads quite a bit.

As for oil companies being the most hurt by a 20% tax increase, that's false. Lots of producers have significant tax pools and are not taxable today. A 20% increase on 0 is still 0. All that changes was the date they become taxable, which can be avoided with further drilling and acquisitions. If anything, oil companies are likely the least affected.

[suntan]

Meh. Not a surprise.

[phreezee]

My worry is they start carbon taxing individuals on consumption. I knew this increase was coming.

What's done is done, let's look ahead to the federal election because if the NDP win, we will all be truly f*cked.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Feruk


No need to get all butthurt because you didn't understand what you were voting for. Should've done some more reading.

I'm not butthurt at all. You're a dickhead. I'm trying to have a reasonable conversation here and you just come in and insult me. So fuck you. Its pretty straightforward

Even though I've explained my position, you still seem confused about it. I'm not mad about a carbon tax increase, I'm mad about the way its been implemented/timeline. Yes, its not being phased in "right away" but 2017 is pretty damn quick.

As for all the "taking investment out of the province, the corporations are going to leave us high and dry", its always been the same thing.

If they want our resources, they have to be here Nobody is moving offices over this that wasn't already looking at doing so. We still have what, the 2nd lowest rate in the country?

And again, I've had plenty of jobs in and out of the private and public sector. I work whichever one benefits me the most

[Xtrema]

If that tips the scale for us to move from coal to nuclear or more NG plant, may not be a bad policy.

[InRich]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


I'm not butthurt at all. You're a dickhead. I'm trying to have a reasonable conversation here and you just come in and insult me. So fuck you. Its pretty straightforward

Even though I've explained my position, you still seem confused about it. I'm not mad about a carbon tax increase, I'm mad about the way its been implemented/timeline. Yes, its not being phased in "right away" but 2017 is pretty damn quick.

As for all the "taking investment out of the province, the corporations are going to leave us high and dry", its always been the same thing.

If they want our resources, they have to be here Nobody is moving offices over this that wasn't already looking at doing so. We still have what, the 2nd lowest rate in the country?

And again, I've had plenty of jobs in and out of the private and public sector. I work whichever one benefits me the most

Hes probably being a dick head, cause he thinks your a stupid person. pretty obvious you did no research before you voted, and you voted outta pure emotion and spite.. I think your a stupid fucking idiot too, but I'm just telling it to you straight, I'd say this to your face too, and I have had this conversation with others who outright told me they voted NDP at some recent events and parties.. The funny thing is these people can't even defend themselves, cause they have no clue what they voted for in the first place either. Which is exactly what your position is right now.
your everything whats wrong with alberta right now. everything from the way you drive, to what you do for a living. 100 bucks says you drive the left lane at speed limits like a total fucking moron. Or merge in and outta traffic at below limits. I guarantee it, just a completely oblivious person to everything that happens around you, and how your decisions impact everyone. makes me sick.

[killramos]

A post from InRIch I actually agree with. What is the world coming to.

I blame the NDP

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by InRich


Hes probably being a dick head, cause he thinks your a stupid person. pretty obvious you did no research before you voted, and you voted outta pure emotion and spite.. I think your a stupid fucking idiot too, but I'm just telling it to you straight, I'd say this to your face too, and I have had this conversation with others who outright told me they voted NDP at some recent events and parties.. The funny thing is these people can't even defend themselves, cause they have no clue what they voted for in the first place either. Which is exactly what your position is right now.
your everything whats wrong with alberta right now. everything from the way you drive, to what you do for a living. 100 bucks says you drive the left lane at speed limits like a total fucking moron. Or merge in and outta traffic at below limits. I guarantee it, just a completely oblivious person to everything that happens around you, and how your decisions impact everyone. makes me sick.

Interestingly enough, I'd write the exact thing about you

Also interestingly enough, people are doing a great job at tearing down the decision made, but not presenting any solutions of their own. Pretty easy to shit on someone else's ideas when you have none of your own. I'm always down to listen and debate, if that wasn't obvious

[suntan]

Originally posted by Xtrema
If that tips the scale for us to move from coal to nuclear or more NG plant, may not be a bad policy.

Obvious move is to raise royalty rates on coal to like 99% over 5-6 years.

Nuclear will never happen here with the NDP in power, despite the world's largest uranium reserves right here in Alberta.

[FraserB]

At this point, I want then to truly fuck Alberta up. Decimate the job market, drive a good chunk of people out of Alberta and a bunch more into true poverty. If that's what it takes to teach people a lesson about voting for socialists who have no problem lying in the election platform, then so be it.

I'll come back when people come to their senses. Dual citizenship FTW.

[sabad66]

Originally posted by InRich


Hes probably being a dick head, cause he thinks your a stupid person. pretty obvious you did no research before you voted, and you voted outta pure emotion and spite.. I think your a stupid fucking idiot too, but I'm just telling it to you straight, I'd say this to your face too, and I have had this conversation with others who outright told me they voted NDP at some recent events and parties.. The funny thing is these people can't even defend themselves, cause they have no clue what they voted for in the first place either. Which is exactly what your position is right now.
your everything whats wrong with alberta right now. everything from the way you drive, to what you do for a living. 100 bucks says you drive the left lane at speed limits like a total fucking moron. Or merge in and outta traffic at below limits. I guarantee it, just a completely oblivious person to everything that happens around you, and how your decisions impact everyone. makes me sick.

rekt

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


What NDPs history? In Alberta? There was no history.

One thing is for certain, the conservatives couldn't be allowed to continue as they were.

Yeah.... Notley worked for Harcourt in BC

Let me know how well that turned out for BC

A google search on her name could have told you that.

Originally posted by rage2

The platform was the minimum they were going to do. That's what voters were ok with voting them in. As soon as they were called for the win, they deleted the whole platform documents off their website in case the uninformed tried to go back to compare notes. Good thing I still have a copy lol.

You saved a copy from Google's archive too , hey?

Originally posted by FraserB
At this point, I want then to truly fuck Alberta up. Decimate the job market, drive a good chunk of people out of Alberta and a bunch more into true poverty. If that's what it takes to teach people a lesson about voting for socialists who have no problem lying in the election platform, then so be it.

I'll come back when people come to their senses. Dual citizenship FTW.

Luckily, I have fairly solid job security but I hate to say it - I almost want the same thing. We can't go 4 years beyond this, this failing experiment needs to die out after 1 term.

The NDP is like that whore you date after you break up with a long term girlfriend. Seems like a good , fun idea at first - but realistically is more of a revenge fuck. Unfortunately , that bitch keeps popping up at the worst times ruining your life. Not marriage, life long commitment material at all.

I'll also add, never been a huge InRich fan, never had anything against him though - but man did his post make me laugh

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