Vehicle Emissions Standards in AB

[M.alex]

How the hell did NDP get such a strong majority ... everybody I know is anti-NDP.

[Inzane]

I warned you guys several months ago this was a possibility if the NDP got into power.

Originally posted by EM2FTL

http://alberta.ca/climate-leadership.cfm

And WTF does climate change have to do with emissions testing?

Are they concerned about greenhouse gases or air quality? Emissions controls on vehicles limit pollutants, not carbon dioxide and water vapour.

[Inzane]

Originally posted by 16hypen3sp
So anyways... should everyone with aftermarket exhaust be worried?

If just a catback, no.

But if any of pre-cats, main-cats or EGR systems have been removed, then yes. (especially if coupled with a VISUAL inspection for said parts).

[revelations]

Originally posted by rage2
Even green hippie BC got rid of it last year because it's a huge waste of money.

So this all stems from this:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ster-1.3221336

WTF is in Red Deer that causes poor air quality? Is it cars from it's 90,000 residents? And if not, why the hell are they focusing on vehicles?

The California argument is silly. The reason why car enthusiasts get away with it in California (and other states that regulate regular testing) is because people break the laws and cheat, similar to how some places pass OOP on cars that are shit. It fixes nothing.

There are guys in Cali that engine swap before/after a test every 2 years.

From reading that article, it doesn't appear they are focusing on vehicles exclusively. Sure, I could MAYBE see Red Deer-specific vehicle law (like AirCare used to just be in the Vancouver area) but most of the pollution comes from industry (coal plants?) which was what I read into this report - and that's where they are going to start.


Not sure why the reported tweeted that "ZOMG!! VEHICLE TESTING IS COMING TO AB" if her source was just that article.

[revelations]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
I was going to email my MLA about this, but she's probably too busy with her yoga classes to read it.

At least they arent trying to shut down a bridge in a major city for a few hours to have Yoga on it (like Christy Clarke did in Vancouver).

[speedog]

Originally posted by M.alex
How the hell did NDP get such a strong majority ... everybody I know is anti-NDP.

Oh, there's plenty of people who voted NDP - plenty of beyond members and probably plenty that you know but they won't admit to it. I think for many, it was a protest vote that backfired on them - just sucks that those people are only now beginning to wake up to the devil that others warned them about and to think we have a federal election where we could very well get fucked over again as well.

I just wish people would stand up and be accountable for their actions - as much as I can respect some of the values the NDP may have, I can not and will not vote for them because the bad that comes with them just far too much outweighs any possible good.

On a side note, would this get rid of straight piped motorbikes?

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by speedog


On a side note, would this get rid of straight piped motorbikes?

Only for the day they have to get tested, lol.

[Fly Fishin']

Might get a few of those rolling coal tools off the road or at least force them to keep the chip on stock or eco more often.

[HomespunLobster]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Only for the day they have to get tested, lol.

Cant say I've ever seen a cat on a motorbike

[speedog]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Only for the day they have to get tested, lol.

But if the police pull you over in one of their safety checks like they had on Glenmore Trail yesterday by Stony Trail, then you'd be SOL..

[speedog]

Originally posted by HomespunLobster


Cant say I've ever seen a cat on a motorbike

That's why I asked - are there any similar type devices on a motorbike, it's been 20 years since I've owned a motorbike and I'm quite sure things are a bit different from what was on the 1985 FZ750 that I had.

[revelations]

Originally posted by HomespunLobster


Cant say I've ever seen a cat on a motorbike

I know that Gixxers and Viffers have had cats for some 10+ years.

[Inzane]

Originally posted by speedog

Oh, there's plenty of people who voted NDP - plenty of beyond members and probably plenty that you know but they won't admit to it. I think for many, it was a protest vote that backfired on them -

In my riding it really came down to the conservative vote split.
Numbers were something like:
NDP 37%
WR 30%
Cons 29%

[Darell_n]

Like BC, they will be going after commercial vehicles.

[16hypen3sp]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


You can't really get mad at the NDP about this (loathe as I am to say that), this information has been readily available for decades

I also don't really understand what you are trying to say? Even if it is strictly c02 emissions from burning natural gas to produce energy, its still emissions

We are not talking about C02. We are talking about pollution and NOx. Air quality goes after pollution and the big fish in pollution (not global warming/climate change) is NOx... And from what I see, the AB government placed restrictions on NOx a long time ago for industry and left out vehicles.

But now, the NDP want to place restrictions on it so peoples vehicles fail and then they can't drive their own vehicle AND can't really sell it to someone in AB because it won't pass.

Good one.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by 16hypen3sp


But now, the NDP want to place restrictions on it so peoples vehicles fail and then they can't drive their own vehicle AND can't really sell it to someone in AB because it won't pass.

Good one.

Did... did we read the same article? Where did you get your information from?

[16hypen3sp]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Did... did we read the same article? Where did you get your information from?

I'm just going by what has been said in other articles about this sort of thing in other jurisdictions.


Even the co-founder of greenpeace said this was a bureaucratic nightmare and another tax.

[EM2FTL]

Here's a link to every MLA in Alberta:

http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index....&mememail=True

Regardless of who is sitting in your riding (whether NDP or another party), this is the time to make your voice heard and write to your MLA. If we as a car community can generate enough noise then our views will become part of the debate. Right now we aren't even on their radar...

[rage2]

Originally posted by revelations
Not sure why the reported tweeted that "ZOMG!! VEHICLE TESTING IS COMING TO AB" if her source was just that article.

Vehicle emissions standards was one specific examples cited by the environment minister in her action plan. This was brought up again on CBC radio this morning.

Originally posted by speedog
On a side note, would this get rid of straight piped motorbikes?

Motorcycles were exempt under AirCare. Residents wanted even stricter controls with AirCare before it was scrapped, throwing in things like fluid leaks, exhaust noise, and removing motorcycle exemptions to try to get straight piped Harleys off the road. Suffice to say, there's a vocal minority that was pretty pissed last year when the premier scrapped the program when they were pushing for another 10 year extension lol.

[Feruk]

From article.

"The report shows that, unless emissions are cut, most of the province risks exceeding the Canadian Ambient Air Quality Standards for fine particulate matter. This places an unacceptable burden on people's health and on the environment," he said.

It seems to me they're more targeting industry polluters than car owners...

However, I also agree that if your POS car can't meet the CANADIAN (not Alberta NDP) pollution standards, then it shouldn't be on the road. I'd love to see the Harleys gone. I'm not sure how you guys have managed to turn this into an NDP hating thread though.