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    Originally posted by dirtsniffer
    We're already fucked. But if the federal NDP win they're going to take away the lube.

    I hope Hitempguy is happy.


    I'm not happy about any of it; unhappy the PC's were a trainwreck in this province for the past 4 odd years, unhappy that I didn't have a party that supported my views of both fiscal and social conservatism (being fiscally conservative does not mean not spending money, it means spending money on what is necessary), unhappy that in order to revive the party I like they had to be shown the door, unhappy that Alberta had no legitimate center party to vote for, unhappy that the NDP (provincially) is going WAY overboard on their mandate, I could go on.

    What am I happy about? Well, the NDP in this province has (in my opinion) basically screwed themselves. They'll take a lot of blame for the next 3-4 years and the conservatives will come back, or the wildrose will have moved a bit to the left.

    I am happy that there aren't cuts to front-line services, because that is stupid, just like I am happy there aren't cuts to infrastructure. I am upset that AHS and public sector management isn't being gone through with a fine tooth comb as government is overly management heavy, which is complete bullshit. I am happy that my employer isn't trying to break contracts illegally by saying "we are the gov and we'll do what we want", especially when those contracts aren't as lucrative as you make them out to be (and we're signed in by a conservative gov at that. Understand this, while I am happy with my current union contract, I don't think it is right. The PC's fought tooth and god damn nail for a year over it, and then one day after no negotiation besides "no" caved and gave everything. Everyone was surprised, it makes no sense).

    There is lots to be unhappy about. But one thing we shouldn't be unhappy about is that we currently aren't going back to the 90's with cuts to everything. Practically everyone agrees that those moves were very damaging to the growth and essentially kicked the can for spending further down the road, causing it to be more expensive.

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    Haha damn.

    Good post. It is likely that the conservative party is equally to blame for the what the NDP are going to do.

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    Meanwhile in Manitoba...

    http://www.winnipegsun.com/2015/09/2...eck-gets-worse


    It’s no surprise the Selinger government continues to fall in public opinion polls after the NDP drove the province’s finances further into the ground in 2015, triggering a credit rating downgrade from one bond rating agency and a stern warning from another.

    Apparently these guys just don’t get it.

    Despite a year of cautionary words from credit rating agencies, the business community and others that the provincial government can no longer operate on borrowed money and a high-tax regime, the NDP continued to thumb its nose at Manitobans by tabling its seventh straight deficit budget this year while delaying a return to balance budgets until at least 2018-19.

    And the public has taken notice.

    According to the most recent Probe Research poll, the NDP’s popularity dropped to 25%, down from 29% in June. It’s the lowest showing for the NDP in a Probe Research quarterly poll ever and it’s dangerously close to the 23.6% overall support the party got when it was decimated in the 1988 provincial election.

    Just like in the late 1980s, Manitoba voters have become disenchanted with the NDP’s high-tax, deficit-financing ways. And it appears they’re now ready to throw them out of office, just like they did 27 years ago.

    Not only is the party at rock-bottom in the polls — hanging on to what’s left of its core NDP support, largely in the city of Winnipeg — Premier Greg Selinger’s personal popularity is also falling.

    According to an Angus Reid Institute poll in August, Selinger was again ranked the least popular premier in Canada. And his numbers have been falling steadily, even well after government announced the PST increase in 2013, which suggests it isn’t the tax hike alone that’s responsible for the NDP’s current woes.

    The government’s overall mismanagement of the province’s finances, including the tax hike, appears to be the driving force behind its plummeting support.

    Sure, the internal caucus feud and the failed coup on Selinger over the past year hasn’t helped the NDP’s image with the public. It shows a party in disarray that lacks the political stability to effectively govern. But the main grievance against the NDP isn’t the political drama playing out in the NDP caucus room. People don’t care much about the partisan goings-on of political parties. What they do care about is how much they’re paying in taxes and what they’re getting in return for those taxes. The public actually pays attention when government compromises the integrity of the provincial treasury through unsustainable spending and skyrocketing debt.

    And that concern is showing up in the polls.

    Since Probe’s last poll, Moody’s Investors Service downgraded the NDP government’s credit rating in July. Last month, DBRS, one of three major bond rating agencies that rate the province’s creditworthiness, said the NDP’s “weak fiscal discipline” has led to delays in balancing the books and that its “fiscal outlook continues to disappoint.”

    Stories like these are not lost on the public. And coupled with the NDP’s high-tax regime and poor social and economic outcomes, it’s no wonder the government continues to fall in the polls. Despite all the spending, the deficits, the increased debt and the high taxes, Manitoba still has the highest child poverty rates in Canada, some of the worst health care outcomes in the country and ranks dead last in national public school testing for Grade 8 students. The big-government, socialist experiment isn’t working.

    This isn’t just about Greg Selinger, either. The entire NDP caucus has supported every one of the premier’s fiscal policies. In fact, many have participated in their formulation.

    This trainwreck has been a group effort.

    And the group is about to go down.

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    We need recall legislation - wonder if the AB NDP will be the catalyst for this change.

    But yea, 4 more years of Prentice (look in the mirror) would *probably* have been worse. Its time that AB move SOMEWHAT away from O&G; SOMEWHAT clean up its "image" (smoke and mirrors) in the eyes of the rest of the world as well .... just ... .not all at once

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    Originally posted by revelations
    We need recall legislation - wonder if the AB NDP will be the catalyst for this change.

    But yea, 4 more years of Prentice (look in the mirror) would *probably* have been worse. Its time that AB move SOMEWHAT away from O&G; SOMEWHAT clean up its "image" (smoke and mirrors) in the eyes of the rest of the world as well .... just ... .not all at once
    Worse? Lol...please explain how. Prentice would have cut government G&A which is needed across every sector and every department despite what HiTempguy1 says. Sure there would be gas and booze tax and the health levy costing individuals a bit more money but the NDP raising min. Wage. To $15 is going to cost you a hell of a lot more due to every business increasing pricing to compensate.

    Where do you think AB should move to if not oil and gas? You do understand that private companies are deciding to invest in AB's energy industry and not the government right? I really hate when people say this because the people saying it have no idea what it even means. Its not like our government just wakes up one morning and decides we are a manufacturing or biotech Hotspot.

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    Originally posted by revelations
    Its time that AB move SOMEWHAT away from O&G;
    Oh this should be interesting. Waiting to hear what you had in mind.

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    What a disaster NDP is. I can't believe people STILL VOTE FOR THEM!!!! its INSANE!

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    There's no future in the oil sands in Alberta, according to Notley.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environme...P=share_btn_fb

    Go solar! Go wind!

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    Im still surprised no one is pissed that the PC government let AB get to this.. How the hell does anyone even remotely blame a party that just got into power for all the shit that is happening? It makes no sense.

    Its like me going into a room, destroying it.. Then the maid comes into clean it and everyone blames her..
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    Last edited by Cos; 12-28-2016 at 01:59 PM.
    Originally posted by adam c

    Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta
    "The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones"

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    There are plenty of people pissed at the PCs, beginning with Stelmach, growing to a boiling point with Redford and Prentice who were smug bastards. But going forward the NDP are anti oil and anti Alberta, and are not in touch with what the majority of Albertans. We want a true representative and a party to promote us on the world stage and not call us embarrassing cousins.

    Corporate tax hike went live in summer.
    First stage of the minimum wage hike starts tomorrow.
    Budget looming.
    Royalty review looming.

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    Last edited by Cos; 12-28-2016 at 01:59 PM.
    Originally posted by adam c

    Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta
    "The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones"

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    Originally posted by Cos


    Because that doesn't solidify and justify each persons political outrage regardless of the burden of proof. I am not 100% happy with what the NDP are doing, that said blaming them for MOST of the things they are being blamed for is BS. I'd be a lot less upset if people actually blamed them for the BS they have been doing.....

    You know...... something like this....

    http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/09/29...er-do-it-again


    But from what I can tell this hasn't been discussed anywhere.
    Here's the thread http://forums.beyond.ca/st/394443/nd...oston-retreat/

    It's a testament to how good the Wildrose are at being the opposition party. They helped oust Redford and recently helped the NDP realize their "mistake."

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    Originally posted by Cos


    Great pic, completely true in Canadian politics.
    In the case of the last provincial election, the PCs needed out, not just their leader.

    In the case of Harper... he is always Darth Vader.
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    Originally posted by Type_S1


    Worse? Lol...please explain how. Prentice would have cut government G&A which is needed across every sector and every department despite what HiTempguy1 says. Sure there would be gas and booze tax and the health levy costing individuals a bit more money but the NDP raising min. Wage. To $15 is going to cost you a hell of a lot more due to every business increasing pricing to compensate.

    Where do you think AB should move to if not oil and gas? You do understand that private companies are deciding to invest in AB's energy industry and not the government right? I really hate when people say this because the people saying it have no idea what it even means. Its not like our government just wakes up one morning and decides we are a manufacturing or biotech Hotspot.

    Originally posted by Inzane


    Oh this should be interesting. Waiting to hear what you had in mind.

    For the record, the NDP isnt the answer. I voted for the AB Party (centrist) - too bad they dont get funding from the Unions or Businesses so they never get exposure.

    Essentially, we should be moving to a knowledge-based economy OVER TIME, like 10-30 years.

    Sure, O&G can be a part of the economy, just not ALL of the economy!! BC is a good example of how they moved from being mostly a giant wood/pulp/paper exporting province in the 70s & 80s to something more knowledge-based. We have the same levels of education so its not a stretch to imagine it happening here ..... over decades.
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    Originally posted by JAYMEZ
    Im still surprised no one is pissed that the PC government let AB get to this.. How the hell does anyone even remotely blame a party that just got into power for all the shit that is happening? It makes no sense.

    Its like me going into a room, destroying it.. Then the maid comes into clean it and everyone blames her..
    PCs didn't fuck the economy. NDP didn't fuck the economy. Oil prices fucked the economy. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees on that.

    NDP is fucking the path to recovery, that's the true issue that's being debated. Don't confuse that for them fucking the economy.
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    IMO the PCs failed to curb the overactive economic cycles in AB - 40 years of continuous fail.

    The NDP will try to force a myriad of changes in a very short period of time, which will lead to another vote swing to the far right in 4 years time ..... WR

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    Originally posted by rage2
    NDP is fucking the path to recovery, that's the true issue that's being debated. Don't confuse that for them fucking the economy.
    This Has Notley taken a stance on anything? There hasn't been a week gone by that she hasn't opened her yap and a day later had to "clarify" what she said by further riding the fence or delaying an actual response. It's making things worse, investment in this province is sitting on their wallets, and that CAN be blamed on the NDP.
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    Originally posted by revelations
    IMO the PCs failed to curb the overactive economic cycles in AB - 40 years of continuous fail.
    I don't think any government can curb our economic cycles in Alberta as long as there's oil in the ground. Our economy will be tied to oil prices until there's no more left in the ground.

    PC's weren't being very conservative over the years, but I don't think they had a choice to curb spending during the good years, it's just not good politics. One of the primary reasons that NDP won is that their platform promised to reversed all the PC cuts and aimed to spend even more.
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    Originally posted by rage2
    I don't think any government can curb our economic cycles in Alberta as long as there's oil in the ground. Our economy will be tied to oil prices until there's no more left in the ground.

    PC's weren't being very conservative over the years, but I don't think they had a choice to curb spending during the good years, it's just not good politics. One of the primary reasons that NDP won is that their platform promised to reversed all the PC cuts and aimed to spend even more.
    I don't get how so many people didn't see that. We are going to take even more money from you so that we can keep spending money for you. We won't have a plan for this money and will not know where it is coming from but we will be your babysitter

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