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    Originally posted by Inzane


    And a business needs to be able to cover its costs and make a profit, otherwise it's game over. Less businesses survive and less choices for you on where and how to spend your money.
    And the more people that will be unemployed thus going on social assistance becoming a bigger drain on government coffers. It's a lose/lose situation for everyone. Business loses (higher expenses), government loses (more social assistance, less tax revenue), consumers lose (higher prices and less service) and ultimately the minimum wage earner loses (fewer jobs).
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    Well said Solo, at some point a bunch of Socialistic souls decided "minimum" wage meant living wage. It was never designed to be that way and yet, here we are. And it's propagated by people who believe you shouldn't have to earn your way, you should be given it. The lowest of positions in the world should be equal to others in remuneration, that won't cause inflationary stress at all!

    Thanks be to the Union mindset, it will save us all!
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    Its appalling to think that a society of non-contributors, who do as little work as possible for a fixed wage, is sustainable in any sense.

    Have we learned nothing the past 50 years

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    Yeah, that bankers and corporate whore sellouts are the problem. Not the averwge worker.

    You learnt different?

    I take some.solace in the fact that even if NDP dont win federally, we will at least have responsible government in Alberta for 4 good years before CONservstives have a chance to destroy it again.

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    Originally posted by soloracer
    ho says a minimum wage earner deserves to be paid a "living wage" when society has determined that the work they do is not vital enough to be paid more?

    The problem is society didn't determine that wage, corporations did. It's easy to say "well they should get a better job then", because you (and likely everyone you know) are fully functioning and capable adults, but in reality there's a lot of people that are incapable of getting a better job for one reason or another. Why shouldn't they be earning enough for rent, food, clothes, and transportation ?

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    Originally posted by Tik-Tok


    The problem is society didn't determine that wage, corporations did. It's easy to say "well they should get a better job then", because you (and likely everyone you know) are fully functioning and capable adults, but in reality there's a lot of people that are incapable of getting a better job for one reason or another. Why shouldn't they be earning enough for rent, food, clothes, and transportation ?
    It's a moronic argument, and assumes that there are enough good paying jobs that everyone can have one lol!!

    If our entire planet/society was shrunk to just 10,000 working class people with a 4% unemployment rate, then assume that there are 9600 jobs, that ALL pay at least living wage. hahaha

    The stupidity to come to that assumption is truly mind boggling.

    They confuse the basic fact of "Anyone can be Rich", with "Everyone can be rich".

    Dum dum dummmmmmb

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    Originally posted by revelations


    No. People should be paid what the laws of supply and demand are.
    Supply and demand doesn't factor into a "monopoly" on wage pricing by business, forcing wages down to the point they don't pay enough to live. Has nothing to do with supply and demand.

    Originally posted by Inzane


    And a business needs to be able to cover its costs and make a profit, otherwise it's game over. Less businesses survive and less choices for you on where and how to spend your money.
    Um, oh teh noes? Sounds like a shit business plan to me, again, its not my responsibility to subsidize/pay for a shit business model.


    Originally posted by soloracer


    If you truly believed a minimum wage earner is deserving of a "living wage" you should be tipping more, not less.


    You can interpret it however you want, even though I already explained this. I won't be arguing in a circle with you. Tips subsidize business owners, not employees.

    As for your argument about subsidizing business, that is a straw man argument. Businesses also pay taxes and if they make less money the government collects less money.
    Businesses won't lay people off because of a $ per hour raise. If they can't pay their employees enough to live, then they shouldn't be in business to begin with, and some other business should take their place that can do it. Supply and demand, right?

    Originally posted by soloracer


    Who says a minimum wage earner deserves to be paid a "living wage" when society has determined that the work they do is not vital enough to be paid more?
    Actually, society HAS determined they "deserve it". So don't know what your point is?

    Man, you really like the whole concept of trickle-down economics, even though its been proven to be COMPLETE bullshit.

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    Originally posted by HiTempguy1


    Supply and demand doesn't factor into a "monopoly" on wage pricing by business, forcing wages down to the point they don't pay enough to live. Has nothing to do with supply and demand.



    Um, oh teh noes? Sounds like a shit business plan to me, again, its not my responsibility to subsidize/pay for a shit business model.




    You can interpret it however you want, even though I already explained this. I won't be arguing in a circle with you. Tips subsidize business owners, not employees.



    Businesses won't lay people off because of a $ per hour raise. If they can't pay their employees enough to live, then they shouldn't be in business to begin with, and some other business should take their place that can do it. Supply and demand, right?



    Actually, society HAS determined they "deserve it". So don't know what your point is?

    Man, you really like the whole concept of trickle-down economics, even though its been proven to be COMPLETE bullshit.
    Wow...you have an absolute zero understanding of how or why business works. What is the purpose of any business? In your mind it's to serve the will of the people. But that is wrong. A business exists to make money. Period. If it doesn't make money the business ceases to exist. End of story.

    Since when is there a monopoly on wages? If you don't like what you are paid you are free to go elsewhere. If you don't like what you are paid you are free to upgrade your skills to get paid more. There are choices out there. You make it sound like we all work at one company that doesn't compete for employees. Truth is companies compete, and compete hard, for good people.

    And society has determined that we all deserve a house, car, education, holiday? Regardless of the efforts that we put in to make it happen? Since when? What a load of entitled crap that is.

    And how is you paying more for a service or product - whether it be through a tip or a price increase due to increased costs - subsidizing the business owner? Especially if at the end of the day the money goes to the worker? If a worker today gets paid $10 an hour wage and makes another $5 an hour in tips you some how think the business is being subsidized? But if the worker gets paid a government mandated $15 per hour wage with no tips the business is not getting a subsidy?

    I know why you are tired of talking about it and it's because your flawed logic is making you talk in circles

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    Originally posted by soloracer


    Wow...you have an absolute zero understanding of how or why business works. What is the purpose of any business? In your mind it's to serve the will of the people. But that is wrong. A business exists to make money. Period. If it doesn't make money the business ceases to exist. End of story.

    Since when is there a monopoly on wages? If you don't like what you are paid you are free to go elsewhere. If you don't like what you are paid you are free to upgrade your skills to get paid more. There are choices out there. You make it sound like we all work at one company that doesn't compete for employees. Truth is companies compete, and compete hard, for good people.

    And society has determined that we all deserve a house, car, education, holiday? Regardless of the efforts that we put in to make it happen? Since when? What a load of entitled crap that is.

    And how is you paying more for a service or product - whether it be through a tip or a price increase due to increased costs - subsidizing the business owner? Especially if at the end of the day the money goes to the worker? If a worker today gets paid $10 an hour wage and makes another $5 an hour in tips you some how think the business is being subsidized? But if the worker gets paid a government mandated $15 per hour wage with no tips the business is not getting a subsidy?

    I know why you are tired of talking about it and it's because your flawed logic is making you talk in circles
    Well written.

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    Originally posted by HiTempguy1
    Supply and demand doesn't factor into a "monopoly" on wage pricing by business, forcing wages down to the point they don't pay enough to live. Has nothing to do with supply and demand.
    If someone doesn't like the job, they are welcome to leave. I spent 5 years in the airline industry putting up with appalling conditions and got the fuck out of there. Pilots flying around in 100 million dollar aircraft start at 20-30,000$ - the cause? Too many pilots !!!

    Give me an example of a "monopoly" industry in AB that can, artificially pay lower than market rates in AB. The only ones I am aware of that fall into that category are GOVERNMENT positions and I can guarantee you their wages are artificially HIGH.

    So whats going to happen to the 100,000+ residents of rural alberta who, suddenly lose jobs because the government instituted artificial wage controls on their employees? Small businesses in small towns with thin margins will NOT keep going if their employees wages are essentially doubled. Its not a shit business plan, its the NDP being ideological idiots.
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    Wow.... hahaha

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    You guys still ignore the fact that the number of workers, far outnumbers the number of good paying jobs.

    If everyone was equal in work ethic and skill, we would STILL have a majority making less, and a few making "more".

    Gees.

    The stupid on basic economics in here is staggering.

    This is why The Universal Declaration Of Human Rights recognizes collective bargaining as a RIGHT.

    Holy hell. Mind boggling.

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    Originally posted by Toma
    The stupid on basic economics in here is staggering.
    Oh, finally reading your own posts are you?
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    Yeah, obviously its me that cant get a very basic concept through his head.

    Lol.


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    Originally posted by Toma
    obviously its me that cant get a very basic concept through his head.
    Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery!

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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    $33k trip NDP to China, but being against fracking and Northern Gateway what is the trip buying Albertans?

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/10/0...r+off+to+China

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    Originally posted by phreezee
    $33k trip NDP to China, but being against fracking and Northern Gateway what is the trip buying Albertans?

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/10/0...r+off+to+China
    Well, cons individually spent ~$7k per trip within Canada, plus spousal airfare... And that's just flight lol.

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    Originally posted by phreezee
    $33k trip NDP to China, but being against fracking and Northern Gateway what is the trip buying Albertans?

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/10/0...r+off+to+China
    Lets not forget Redford and her lovers trip to that secret Illuminati meeting. lol.

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    Toma = Thales right?

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    Originally posted by ickyflex
    Toma = Thales right?
    Serious question. Have you ever been right about anything?

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