Turkey shoot down Russian plane, Putin calls Turkey accomplisses to terror.

[04Terminator]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0TD0IR20151124

[schurchill39]

Why would you ever want to fuck with Russia? That just has bad news written all over it. Turks say they crossed into their airspace, Russians say they didn't. I predict a whole world of hurt coming Turkey's way.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Yeah.......this doesn't seem like a healthy situation.

[vengie]

Slippery slope.. Will wait for confirmation of the flight path before passing judgement.

[spikerS]

Good on Turkey for not backing down to Russia, however, Fuck turkey for shooting and killing the pilots as they parachuted to the ground after ejecting.

Would have been much better to keep them as POWs.

[schocker]

Rebels blew up one of the search and rescue choppers when it landed

wtf is going on over there.

[gwill]

If Russia goes to war with Turkey we'll see a spike in oil prices. Woooo hooo

[A790]

Originally posted by gwill
If Russia goes to war with Turkey we'll see a spike in oil prices. Woooo hooo

Turkey is a NATO nation.

Absolutely no good can come from this.

[Inzane]

Why the hell would they shoot the pilots?

WTF is wrong with these people??

[lilmira]

Turkey shot down the plane. The rebel in Syria shot the pilots. This can't be good for business.

I must break you.

[04Terminator]

Russia has previously chastized Turkey for supporting ISIS through buying its oil.

Russia destroyed a 500 vehicle ISIS convoy it claimed was carrying oil, last week.

Im all about airspace, but was that necessary? After all, the target was not Turkey, but ISIS.

What would America do if this happened.

[tirebob]

Originally posted by Inzane
Why the hell would they shoot the pilots?

WTF is wrong with these people??

Not justifying, but why the surprise? What is the difference of them trying to kill them while they are on the plane or after? They wanted them dead to begin with apparently...

[Inzane]

Originally posted by tirebob
Not justifying, but why the surprise? What is the difference of them trying to kill them while they are on the plane or after? They wanted them dead to begin with apparently...

Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm not a military guy at all. But isn't the primary goal of shooting down a plane (or bombing a tank etc.) to DESTROY THE ASSET, not kill the people per se?

Shooting parachuting survivors from a downed plane seems akin to shooting retreating ground troops in the back.

Is shooting pilots adhering to rules of engagement? (asking because I really don't know).

[lilmira]

Originally posted by Inzane


Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm not a military guy at all. But isn't the primary goal of shooting down a plane (or bombing a tank etc.) to DESTROY THE ASSET, not kill the people per se?

Shooting parachuting survivors from a downed plane seems akin to shooting retreating ground troops in the back.

Is shooting pilots adhering to rules of engagement? (asking because I really don't know).

Doesn't sound like the pilots were killed by the turkish troops. It happened near the border, the pilots ended up on the Syria side.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by Inzane


Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm not a military guy at all. But isn't the primary goal of shooting down a plane (or bombing a tank etc.) to DESTROY THE ASSET, not kill the people per se?

That is my thought on the matter. I mean, the person would have valuable information, why kill them? Good bargaining chip for later too.

Shooting parachuting survivors from a downed plane seems akin to shooting retreating ground troops in the back.

Is shooting pilots adhering to rules of engagement? (asking because I really don't know).

I can't speak to the RoE, but to me, killing a pilot while parachuting the ground is akin to shooting an un-armed person, military or not. Unless the pilots were actively shooting downward of course...

[04Terminator]

From the Guardian, just now.

White House: 'Russian incursion into Turkish airspace lasted seconds'

Russia’s operation in Syria will continue despite the downing of a Russian fighter jet by the Turkish air force, the Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said. Meanwhile, a US official has said that initial indications are that the Russian incursion into Turkish airspace lasted a matter of seconds.

[tirebob]

Originally posted by Inzane


Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm not a military guy at all. But isn't the primary goal of shooting down a plane (or bombing a tank etc.) to DESTROY THE ASSET, not kill the people per se?

Shooting parachuting survivors from a downed plane seems akin to shooting retreating ground troops in the back.

Is shooting pilots adhering to rules of engagement? (asking because I really don't know).

Originally posted by spikerS


That is my thought on the matter. I mean, the person would have valuable information, why kill them? Good bargaining chip for later too.



I can't speak to the RoE, but to me, killing a pilot while parachuting the ground is akin to shooting an un-armed person, military or not. Unless the pilots were actively shooting downward of course...

Oh I agree for sure... I just am not surprised...

[Mitsu3000gt]

Doesn't make it right, but hasn't Turkey warned Russia multiple times about this? You'd think after that, you would keep better tabs on the air space. Seems excessive though for sure.

[Xtrema]

Russia is fighting ISIS, but also gathering intel on NATO air space. They have been testing it for a while now.

Turkey has been backing ISIS simply they hate Kurds.

This is a really fucked up situation. People need to understand we need to stay out and dictatorship is the only working solution in that area.

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
Doesn't make it right, but hasn't Turkey warned Russia multiple times about this? You'd think after that, you would keep better tabs on the air space. Seems excessive though for sure.

Turkey should have never be admitted into NATO, let alone EU. Especially the current ultra religious and right wing government.

[revelations]

Originally posted by 04Terminator
What would America do if this happened.

American spy aircraft were shot down on at least a dozen occasions during the heights of the cold war. Nothing became of these. The situation here is different though.


The Russians are famous for their zero fucks given about violating other countries airspace - esp. those whom they consider to be weaker on the world stage (eg. Sweden, Finland, Norway etc.).

The only answer to bullying is to fight back, thats what happened here.