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My neighbour heats entirely 100% with wood, She had to get Atco to rip the line out of the ground to get the bills to stop, removing the meter was not enough apparently.Originally posted by e36bmw///
If a home owner was to replace his gas furnace with an electric one, therefore not using any gas at all, will you still be charged a delivery charge for gas?
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Originally posted by adam c
Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta"The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones"
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Can you do that in the city? I can understand it's possible in rural.Originally posted by Maxt
My neighbour heats entirely 100% with wood, She had to get Atco to rip the line out of the ground to get the bills to stop, removing the meter was not enough apparently.
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Enmax had 835,000 customer sites in Alberta, including residential and commercial.
If we assume that all of those customers are billed from Enmax for both electricity and gas, and are paying $13.00 a month for Administrative charges, then Enmax gets about 11 million each month for basically billing us.
Does that sound right?
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I've left the country for 3 months at a time before and had all my utilities shut in at my house. Water line closed. Gas line closed. Main breaker turned off. Still got charged fees, didn't even notice a substantial drop in them. Usage was accurate and basically nothing though.
I can eat more hot wings than you.
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Not sure about the numbers but there's got to be a incentive for Direct Energy keep trying to get into the biz and take over your contract.Originally posted by Seth1968
Enmax had 835,000 customer sites in Alberta, including residential and commercial.
If we assume that all of those customers are billed from Enmax for both electricity and gas, and are paying $13.00 a month for Administrative charges, then Enmax gets about 11 million each month for basically billing us.
Does that sound right?
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https://www.enmax.com/AboutUsSite/Do...Facts_2013.pdfOriginally posted by Xtrema
Not sure about the numbers but there's got to be a incentive for Direct Energy keep trying to get into the biz and take over your contract.
Given Easy Max and a few years since 2013, I suspect the customer number is more like 1 million.
Also, does anyone know if commercial customers pay more for the Admin charge?
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Found out it's about 80% residential and commercial customers pay the same amount in Admin charges.
With updated numbers, Enmax takes from us about 13.5 million a month for almost nothing.
Enmax net earnings for 2013: 225 million.
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It is truly baffling that you think that a business wouldn't put a margin on their costs.
I put a margin on my engineering services, on the sale of the product, callout.. etc. Hell, we even put margin on freight.
So how could you NOT expect a big company like Atco/Fortis/Direct/Enmax not to put points on their costs??
You think their staff (admin/engg/accountants/lawyers) they work for free?
You feel gouged by the cost of your bills. I get that. So you have options. Pay to get off the teet of commercial power gen/gas and create your own energy from a diesel generator. I know a guy. You could even make your own eco-diesel.
You could also look at the QUALITY of your energy services. Alberta has one of the lowest cost vs service indexes anywhere in the world. We have the most sophisticated and redundant service grids anywhere (ask COS).
Do you know how shitty saskpower is?
This is like arguing that the cost of healthcare/teachers are to much and then complaining again when services get slashed (because of funding) while lamenting the old days when it was 'better'.
Thank christ that private energy suppliers are around because they will do what they can to drive down their own costs while maintaining their services so people don't bail on them.
Do you have any idea how expensive the altalink/atco HVDC projects were? How you're paying for them? What it means for Alberta industry? No?
Pay your bills, and move on.
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I say we slow down the spinning of the earth so that there is 25 hours in the day.
Join me.
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Last edited by Cos; 12-20-2016 at 10:19 PM.
Originally posted by adam c
Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta"The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones"
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R154:
Blah Blah Blah
Did you even read the whole thread?
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Stop dropping knowledge fool.Originally posted by Cos
What was profit though, 225m really isn't that much in the scheme of things. You should see how much a transmission or generation project costs. Hell some of the M.A.T.L. (merchant line owned by Enbridge) transformers were custom and I heard they were $10M each. At least one on each side.
Originally posted by ZenOps
I say we slow down the spinning of the earth so that there is 25 hours in the day.
Join me.
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Is "net earnings" not income minus expenses?Originally posted by Cos
What was profit though, 225m really isn't that much in the scheme of things. You should see how much a transmission or generation project costs. Hell some of the M.A.T.L. (merchant line owned by Enbridge) transformers were custom and I heard they were $10M each. At least one on each side.
Either way, that doesn't negate my fundamental argument.
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Enmax should be a non-profit.Originally posted by R154
It is truly baffling that you think that a business wouldn't put a margin on their costs.
I put a margin on my engineering services, on the sale of the product, callout.. etc. Hell, we even put margin on freight.
So how could you NOT expect a big company like Atco/Fortis/Direct/Enmax not to put points on their costs??
You think their staff (admin/engg/accountants/lawyers) they work for free?
Staff are paid from revenue, not earnings.
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Instead of acting like a petulant child, respond to what in my post you disagree with.Originally posted by Seth1968
R154:
Blah Blah Blah
Did you even read the whole thread?
I rest easy in the knowledge that you still must pay your bills. Regardless of how you feel, you're paying (VERY indirectly) my salary.
Thanks!!
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I say we slow down the spinning of the earth so that there is 25 hours in the day.
Join me.
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Why should they be non-profit?Originally posted by suntan
Enmax should be a non-profit.
Staff are paid from revenue, not earnings.
Originally posted by ZenOps
I say we slow down the spinning of the earth so that there is 25 hours in the day.
Join me.
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I don't disagree with any of it because you didn't make any valid points. It was just more of that "it's expensive" nonsense.Originally posted by R154
Instead of acting like a petulant child, respond to what in my post you disagree with.
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Last edited by Cos; 12-20-2016 at 11:54 PM.
Originally posted by adam c
Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta"The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones"
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I find it bizarre that a wholly-owned subsidiary of the City of Calgary gets to make profit.Originally posted by R154
Why should they be non-profit?
Isn't that the whole point of gov't ownership? Offer services at cost?
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Last edited by Cos; 12-20-2016 at 09:47 PM.
Originally posted by adam c
Line goes up, line goes down, line does squiggly things and fucks Alberta"The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones"
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