Teachers association still thinks wage increases will be part of negotiations

[FraserB]

Wage freeze should be a no-brainer. But sadly the odds are that Notley will want to shore up support in her base and ignore the economic realities.


http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ra...857/story.html

[HiTempguy1]

Why is a wage freeze a no brainer? Out of 5 years, three years were wage freezes, there was one year with a raise, and one lump sum.

Why should teachers NOT get raises? I know plenty of people who are getting raises and bonuses this year.

[nzwasp]

Alberta has the highest paid teachers in Canada, im sure they should get raises but on a performance basis not because they are all entitled to a 3% raise each year.

[dirtsniffer]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
Why should teachers NOT get raises? I know plenty of people who are getting raises and bonuses this year.

Some corporations may have money. Our government does not.

[Rat Fink]

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[ickyflex]

Originally posted by Rat Fink
I swear some of you guys must've been roofied and had your asses hogged out with strap-ons by teachers, realtors, and technologists to sling so much hate around to other fields.

It's just a matter of taking the economic conditions into matter. Granted what was posted above that they have been frozen for 3 years already I am indifferent to the matter. Given many people are losing jobs and the private sector is shitting the bed it isn't an unrealistic expectation to expect the government to freeze as well.

[schocker]

Here are their wages from the collective bargaining:

http://www.teachers.ab.ca/For%20Memb...2-2016%29.aspx

[Xtrema]

It really ain't that bad. I know other parts of governments, semi-government position need less qualification and pays more.

[A790]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
Why is a wage freeze a no brainer? Out of 5 years, three years were wage freezes, there was one year with a raise, and one lump sum.

Why should teachers NOT get raises? I know plenty of people who are getting raises and bonuses this year.

I am a little surprised to read that comment from you. Turns out we do agree on something.

[phreezee]

The wasteful spending in the CBE is that they build K-4 AND 5-9 schools which doubles the administrative staff, while the Catholic school board builds K-9 schools.

[Type_S1]

Why does the public sector expect raises while the remainder if the economy is in a SEVERE recession and the government is running a deficit? At times like this the public sector should all be taking 20% salary reductions go keep the deficit down. The teachers in AB get paid more then anywhere else in Canada already thanks to the o&g industry. One would think when that industry struggles they shouldn't be holding their hands out asking for more???

[killramos]

If anyone wants to get an idea of the kind of scope involved in day to day CBE waste:

http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary...a-reality.html

Go ahead and read the price tag on that puppy.

[schocker]

Missed this gem

In response to a teacher’s statement Thursday that he and his colleagues are not going to get a raise in the next contract, Ramsankar cautioned against that assumption. It’s too early in negotiations to tell, he said. Anything could happen in 2016.

“The price of oil could fluctuate. All we need to do is have a war.”

What a moron

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by A790

I am a little surprised to read that comment from you. Turns out we do agree on something.

I think we agree on a lot more than you think. Sometimes the paths we take to get to our conclusions are different though

Originally posted by schocker
Here are their wages from the collective bargaining:

I think an important point to make is that by my understanding, it can be difficult to get 150 days a year of experience. There are lots of teachers, that unless in a permanent full-time position, would struggle to get yearly increases based on experience.

I would also cry if my potential salary topped out at $90k. I mean, that is pretty damn good money, but it also isn't going to make you rich.

[BigMass]

Teachers are important. Should they be fired in tough times like the rest of us? No, because they're an essential part of our society. We need to invest in education and do what we can to increase the number of teachers and provide proper infrastructure.

HOWEVER, in tough times my boss doesn't come up to me and ask if I would accept not getting a raise this year. Heck, they don't even ask if I would take a salary cut. They go around, point to 100 people and fire them. I wish I could get paid less money to do the same job I had a year ago. At least then I can continue to work in my field, not get rusty, and feel like I'm still a human being. Yet, teachers can't just keep getting paid what they're getting paid now? lol. I wish to Christ I had that option and so do many of my friends who not only don't have raises this year, they're unemployed and making ZERO and trying to figure out how to pay their basic bills every month. I understand not firing teachers, but to give raises in this economy? Jesus H.

[mazdavirgin]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
I would also cry if my potential salary topped out at $90k. I mean, that is pretty damn good money, but it also isn't going to make you rich.

94K a year with 3 months of time off? I don't think there's anything to complain about on that front.

Summary of this whole ordeal? Unions gonna union.

[Darell_n]

Originally posted by mazdavirgin


94K a year with 3 months of time off? I don't think there's anything to complain about on that front.

Summary of this whole ordeal? Unions gonna union.

I wouldn't do that job for that money. Surrounded by the teenagers of today and being expected to mold their little brains. No thanks. Just like being a sprinkler fitter they make good money because nobody else wants to do the job.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by mazdavirgin


94K a year with 3 months of time off? I don't think there's anything to complain about on that front.

Summary of this whole ordeal? Unions gonna union.

My sister & brother in law are teachers as well (along with my best friends wife), they've all admitted in finding ways to make over $100k a year by coaching volleyball or other various ways.

Yeah pretty sweet gig that you can start a job that pays about $60k a year , INSTANTLY get 12 weeks off, guaranteed every long weekend off, where the average Canadian income is $49k a year and usually gets between 2-3 weeks off.

The argument of "We need to mark after hours" is bullshit. Most jobs have some form of unpaid overtime expectation, especially now that everybody can be dialed into work at all times through their smart phones.

[Boat]

Teaching seems like a pretty sweet gig. Dat pension tho. High rates, but starts paying at 55.


From the document

For 2015, the contribution rate for the first
$53,600* of earnings is 11.44 per cent of
salary and 16.34 per cent for the remaining
amount.

Thats pretty rough. However:

IS THIS PENSION A GOOD DEAL?
• The average teacher lives 30 years after
retirement. Most teachers will continue to get more
out of the pension plan than they ever put in.
• Your pension is guaranteed for life and is
inflation protected.
• The risk of less than expected returns is not
born by the pensioner but shared half by all
contributing teachers and half by the Alberta
government.
• Teachers without a pension plan would have to
contribute the same amount every year into an
RRSP for the entire length of their career and
would have to earn 11 per cent every year both
prior to and after retirement to receive the same
benefit as the Plan provides.

http://www.teachers.ab.ca/SiteCollec...%20TW-32-3.pdf



For me, its tough figuring out your retirement needs when you dont know when you are gonna die.

[A790]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1

I think we agree on a lot more than you think. Sometimes the paths we take to get to our conclusions are different though

Fair point. I'll keep that in mind.