2017 Toyota 86

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

It's worth the wait. They aren't going to depreciate nearly as much as BRZs either at this point.

[J.M.]

Originally posted by 94boosted
This thing seems to depreciate quicker than I thought it would. Plenty of 2-3 year old low mileage examples for high teens ($) available.

I'm surprised how fast they're depreciating, wait 2-3 more years and probably $10-$12k

[4AGE]

Driving position is weird in this car...

The pedals feel a little cramped especially on the throttle side.
No ballsack space

Is this something you get used to? Perhaps the owners can chime in on this.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by 94boosted
This thing seems to depreciate quicker than I thought it would. Plenty of 2-3 year old low mileage examples for high teens ($) available.

I just can't believe the low mileage and only about $2K above CBB trade in and they still don't move.

I wonder everyone who want one already has one and nobody else cares about these.

[D88]

These have been rolling off the assembly line since January 2012 (I think around spring 2012 in North America) with very few changes throughout. It's also not a popular car in Canada given its characteristics. So basically market over saturation and low demand has tanked the resale value. Perfect for those who now want to pick one up for cheap! I'm not planning on selling mine any time soon so it doesn't bother me.

[LOLzilla]

It is the Celica/RSX of the modern days.

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by danno
Basically ive been digging the brz lately. But ive wanted a s2000 for a few years and now i can afford to have one as a toy, if i can find one at a price thats reasonable. Might be willing to sell my bike to get one. Sorry for the hijack.

I think ill still wait on the s2000, and skip the brz.

I've also had both cars and modified both.

Like most will say, the driving experience of an s2000 is something different. It probably feels close to a Lotus, very go-karty and always providing the sensation of speed and the road.

Stock for stock, s2000 is more fun. Once you start modifying, things can change very quickly for both cars and it depends how far you go and what you do. I think that supercharging to the BRZ was what did it for me to make BRZ > s2000 (modified or not). The S/C and good aftermarket suspension/wheel/tire setup completely transforms the BRZ for the better, more so than doing the same to an s2000 (imo).

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by LOLzilla
It is the Celica/RSX of the modern days.

[mr2mike]

Every other car company seems to be pumping out 300hp min #s. Except Toyota?! Why??

Is the strategy to underpower it so people buy more addons??

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by mr2mike
Every other car company seems to be pumping out 300hp min #s. Except Toyota?! Why??

Is the strategy to underpower it so people buy more addons??

I think that 300 hp would be overkill for such a small car. For the average consumer/target market at least. 230-250 would be nice though

[Sugarphreak]

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[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
400hp + AWD + 200lbs lighter + 285/30R18 tires would be just about perfect for that car

I like your attitude!!

[D88]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
400hp + AWD + 200lbs lighter + 285/30R18 tires would be just about perfect for that car

Don't forget all that for less than $30K like everyone seems to expect.

[Sugarphreak]

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[J.M.]

that shit better be FULLY loaded for $22k

[Disoblige]

I'd buy one for 22k all in. I buy from Asian salesmen only though, because they work harder than lazy white folk.

[Skyline_Addict]

Originally posted by msommers


This sounds like I can relive my experience with my old S13. I loved driving that car although it was pretty slow in a straight line.

What were you impressions before and after the S/C?

I have the Kraftwerks S/C, which is centrifugal and produces linear power. Basically it bumps up power over stock at a constant rate at every rpm (and gets rid of torque dip), unlike PDs which tend to provide the biggest boost down low and taper off at the top.

That being said I think my kit is the perfect compliment to the car for someone who wants that extra bit of power without upsetting the balance of the car. I opted for this over a turbo for the same reason; having instant power, throttle response, no lag, less heat dumps. Drives like N/A, just faster. Should be more fun at the track too. I dyno'd at about 245 whp on the dynodynamics which is probably around 270 whp on a mustang, or close to 300ish bhp which seems to be the consensus on the web as the "ideal" amount of power for the car, all else being equal.

Anyway, yeah. My impressions are very positive but I did a lot of research so I wasn't surprised.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I also had the Kraftwerks kit on mine, dynoed a little over 250WHP on Airboy's dyno as well, and 195WTQ.

[Mibz]

Is power delivery -actually- the same as NA or is it just "Wow, these feels really good for FI"?

[Skyline_Addict]

You're welcome to come drive my car and see for yourself.