Just... Change you're car! says NDP

[Maxx Mazda]

Originally posted by revelations
Im not pro NDP, but shes just incentivizing less carbon emissions.

Do we need 4 ton SUVs to drive around to/from work in an office?
Probably not and the rest of the world (outside North America) seems to get this. They think the whole SUV thing is idiotic.

Its not popular, but I think shes attempting a slight shift towards people being more energy conscious here.

Less carbon emissions? I'm pretty sure my Ecoboost F-150 (a big fuck-off truck! Oh no!) emits less than half the vehicles out there. Maybe I should downsize to an oil/coolant burning '99 Cavalier? I'm sure that's much better for the environment...

[killramos]

Originally posted by theFlash
I have to say, it is completely idiotic to introduce a tax without any goals. How much will the millions in taxes reduce emissions? NDP hasn't been able to answer. It is therefore an obvious cash-grab.

And to think I was going to run parallel cats on my rotary... Not anymore. I'm now thinking about removing the cats from all my vehicles. That's how pissed I get when some airhead wants to mess with my freedom.

Try not to ruin things for the rest of us.

[jwslam]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
I have to say, out of all the various way that government get revenue, I approve of consumption taxes most of all.

Over time, like a decade or more, this will have a noticable effect on behaviour.

yea because so many people quit smoking for savings


As for emmisions testing... good luck VW owners

[rage2]

Originally posted by jwslam
As for emmisions testing... good luck VW owners

Emissions testing is done on a dyno, they'll be fine.

[revelations]

Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Less carbon emissions? I'm pretty sure my Ecoboost F-150 (a big fuck-off truck! Oh no!) emits less than half the vehicles out there. Maybe I should downsize to an oil/coolant burning '99 Cavalier? I'm sure that's much better for the environment...

You have to understand the big/political optics of this. Bringing in logic or reality doesn't apply when it comes to politics. Bike lanes or 30 limits are a perfect example of breaking something that was fine for most.

The NDP is trying to change the image of AB in order to make our exports more palatable to other markets. Adding "carbon" taxes/etc. will appeal to the green side of politics in other areas, who are considering AB products.

[revelations]

I think you miss the point - who says government should decide what we drive? Why does your vehicle buying decision have to be based upon "need" only? Why are you judging people for their choice of vehicle? I don't need a bunch of sports cars, but who are you to question if I "need" them? Believe it or not some people in Europe and the rest of the world think it's awesome we can get big SUV's and drive them like we do. Clarkson and May loved the pickups they drove here.

IMO - the governtment is simply incentivizing common-sense thinking. Do I need a 4 ton SUV to drive my kids to school? Absolutely not, but if I wish to have one because I WANT TO, then I can go ahead and pay more taxes on a product that consumes more energy.

[Moonracer]

Originally posted by revelations



IMO - the governtment is simply incentivizing common-sense thinking. Do I need a 4 ton SUV to drive my kids to school? Absolutely not, but if I wish to have one because I WANT TO, then I can go ahead and pay more taxes on a product that consumes more energy.

[btimbit]

I'd love to get a new car. Can't afford it.

Thanks NDP

[MalibuStacy]

Originally posted by revelations



You have to understand the big/political optics of this. Bringing in logic or reality doesn't apply when it comes to politics. Bike lanes or 30 limits are a perfect example of breaking something that was fine for most.

The NDP is trying to change the image of AB in order to make our exports more palatable to other markets. Adding "carbon" taxes/etc. will appeal to the green side of politics in other areas, who are considering AB products.

Careful now, that kind of talk will get you banned...

I personally hold the idea that if you don't really need a big vehicle like a truck or SUV, then don't drive one. This was much the reason why I got rid of my Malibu with the chev 350, because I could actually value the fun of driving the vehicle to the costs of running it. There are better options for people with families then just trucks (AKA the fuel efficient sedan or van)

If you want something which burns fuel then you should pay more at the pump. Raising the overall price of gas encourages more incentive to drive less, bike more and downsize. May I mention that this frees up the roads and helps foster a healthier community.

I could carry-on on this tangent but I know its fruitless. Most of you will whine and stomp your feet like a child about raising the price of gas, but at the end of the day you wont change anything, you would rather complain

Note I now drive a 2001 ford Taurus and it more expensive on gas than my HHR but its temporary till I find new wheels.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by revelations

The NDP is trying to change the image of AB in order to make our exports more palatable to other markets. Adding "carbon" taxes/etc. will appeal to the green side of politics in other areas, who are considering AB products.

nobody considers import/export based on how green you are. It needs to be more cost effective/superior product in order to open new market. You think the US would welcome our pipelines with open arms if we said 'but but but we have lots of windmills so we're cool bro!'

[littledan]

Originally posted by revelations



You have to understand the big/political optics of this. Bringing in logic or reality doesn't apply when it comes to politics. Bike lanes or 30 limits are a perfect example of breaking something that was fine for most.

The NDP is trying to change the image of AB in order to make our exports more palatable to other markets. Adding "carbon" taxes/etc. will appeal to the green side of politics in other areas, who are considering AB products.

i'm fairly certain the only thing that will increase our export market for petro products will be a god damned pipeline getting us to tidewater

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by MalibuStacy
Raising the overall price of gas encourages more incentive to drive less, bike more and downsize.

No, not really. For most people that just isn't a real world option.

Raising the price of things pointlessly like this just increases my cost of living and my cost of operations and THAT just results in me raising my prices to recoup costs which makes you pay more for your things.

[dirtsniffer]

Originally posted by revelations



You have to understand the big/political optics of this. Bringing in logic or reality doesn't apply when it comes to politics. Bike lanes or 30 limits are a perfect example of breaking something that was fine for most.

The NDP is trying to change the image of AB in order to make our exports more palatable to other markets. Adding "carbon" taxes/etc. will appeal to the green side of politics in other areas, who are considering AB products.

Notley couldn't even convince her own party that the introduction of a carbon tax in Alberta made our oil 'greener'.

How can we expect her to convince foreign governments?

[blownz]

I am perfectly fine paying an additional ~5 cents a liter for gas as AB gas will still be cheaper than BC and I don't mind paying for what I use. My problem is with the rebate cheques going to those making less than $51K. By doing that this is no longer about the environment and just another "steal from the rich, give to the poor" scheme. If it was really about the environment then everyone no matter what your wage should pay the same.

Presumably the people under $51K a year on average drive more compact sedans like a civic/corolla vs larger SUV's compared to the people making over $51K. So the "rich" are already going to pay more of this tax. Plus they will typically have larger homes and pay more for natural gas.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by blownz
I am perfectly fine paying an additional ~5 cents a liter for gas as AB gas will still be cheaper than BC and I don't mind paying for what I use. My problem is with the rebate cheques going to those making less than $51K. By doing that this is no longer about the environment and just another "steal from the rich, give to the poor" scheme. If it was really about the environment then everyone no matter what your wage should pay the same.

Presumably the people under $51K a year on average drive more compact sedans like a civic/corolla vs larger SUV's compared to the people making over $51K. So the "rich" are already going to pay more of this tax. Plus they will typically have larger homes and pay more for natural gas.

Totally agree. It's the classic maneuver. We aren't fascist, we're "national socialist."

Quick, let's confuse everyone into thinking this isn't an obvious cash grab.

Everyone should pay their fair share if it's truly about the environment and not about punishing hard working Albertan's.

[mazdavirgin]

Originally posted by MalibuStacy
Raising the overall price of gas encourages more incentive to drive less, bike more and downsize. May I mention that this frees up the roads and helps foster a healthier community.

So... How exactly is this going to help Calgary Transit? Oh right... Guess everyone should trade their bus pass in for a bicycle?

This is a straight up cash grab from a government who refuses to downsize the public sector and is bringing in a PST through the back door.

It has nothing to do with environmentalism but is strictly a new way to raise revenue for the government.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by MalibuStacy


Careful now, that kind of talk will get you banned...

I personally hold the idea that if you don't really need a big vehicle like a truck or SUV, then don't drive one. This was much the reason why I got rid of my Malibu with the chev 350, because I could actually value the fun of driving the vehicle to the costs of running it. There are better options for people with families then just trucks (AKA the fuel efficient sedan or van)

If you want something which burns fuel then you should pay more at the pump. Raising the overall price of gas encourages more incentive to drive less, bike more and downsize. May I mention that this frees up the roads and helps foster a healthier community.

I could carry-on on this tangent but I know its fruitless. Most of you will whine and stomp your feet like a child about raising the price of gas, but at the end of the day you wont change anything, you would rather complain

Note I now drive a 2001 ford Taurus and it more expensive on gas than my HHR but its temporary till I find new wheels.

I don't disagree in theory, but real life isn't that simple. The problem is that I do actually need such a big vehicle, yet they want to price me out of it anyway. Now what do I do, if I can't get to work, and can't do my job even if I did get there? Then what, NDP will say just go get a different job where I don't need it? So now I'm forced to get rid of a vehicle I enjoy driving, and leave a job I enjoy doing. What the hell kind of freedom is that?

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by btimbit
I don't disagree in theory, but real life isn't that simple. The problem is that I do actually need such a big vehicle, yet they want to price me out of it anyway. Now what do I do, if I can't get to work, and can't do my job even if I did get there? Then what, NDP will say just go get a different job where I don't need it? So now I'm forced to get rid of a vehicle I enjoy driving, and leave a job I enjoy doing. What the hell kind of freedom is that?

I'm sorry...I thought this was CANADA!!!

*Edit..no sarcasm directed to you. This policy is outrageous. Fukcing NDP.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point
I'm sorry...I thought this was CANADA!!!

Lol. That did come off a little too "G'vmant wants to take my jerb" ish, but it annoys me that this take from the rich to give to the poor stuff is only going to end up being "Take from the average and give it to the below average"

It isn't going to take much from the rich, but it's going to screw over regular people

[Xtrema]

Rick Bell with a trolling headline on the sun, you don't say.

lol

Consumption taxes is about behavioral shaping.