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    Originally posted by ZenOps
    What is a little strange is the markets going up fairly steadily.

    I can only assume this might be on the idea that "if you are not happy with your service, don't pay for it" Trumpenomics.

    I mean really, back in the old days - if you were not happy with your service or final product you pretty much morally had the right to refuse payment. It sort of "changed" in the last 30 years or so because of easy access to credit and basically free money, you always paid even if it was crappy - because it was all imaginary money anyhow.
    I assume they'd go up given that Trump's economic and tax platform is quite beneficial to large corporations. Slashing the business tax from 35% down to 15% would provide a huge boost in profits

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    Yes, this could also start a lowering taxation war around the globe, where everyone starts trying to compete with one another.

    Very good news for really big ultra corporations and billionaires (the ones who are fully invested in the markets)
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    Is this the first time we've had an actual businessman run a country?

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    Originally posted by JohnnyHockey
    Is this the first time we've had an actual businessman run a country?
    You might say Harper was a business-type since his education was in economics and hence why his policies enabled Canada do better than the other G8 nations in the world during the last economic melt-down.

    I bet Trump will do well on the economic front.
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    I'd argue that Harpers business style was completely different.

    Harper was safe, investments were very conservative. Trump is a huge spender, huge gambler. The most memorable quote last decade was "Go big or go home"

    The US in general is a much bigger gambler. I've *never* heard anyone here say "Lets build 5,000 nukes and see what happens".
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    I think the Intelligence department uncertainty is also an interesting topic with a guy like Trump taking office, prePresidency Trump was fully against most high level domestic agency intelligence activities. Now he gets to see and be briefed on all those things the common civilian can only imagine and what the tinfoil hat ppl probably already know.


    The election results were only hours old Wednesday when a sober team of intelligence analysts carrying black satchels and secure communications gear began preparing to give President-elect Donald Trump his first unfiltered look at the nation’s secrets.

    The initial presentation — to be delivered as early as Thursday — is likely to be a read-through of the President’s Daily Brief, the same highly classified summary of security developments delivered every day to President Obama. After that, U.S. intelligence officials are expected to schedule a series of meetings to apprise Trump of covert CIA operations against terrorist groups, the intercepted communications of world leaders, and satellite photos of nuclear installations in North Korea.

    The sessions are designed to bring a new president up to speed on what the nation’s spy agencies know and do. But with Trump, the meetings are likely to be tense encounters between wary intelligence professionals and a newly minted president-elect who has demonstrated abundant disdain for their work.

    A palpable sense of dread settled on the intelligence community Wednesday as Hillary Clinton, the candidate many expected to win, conceded the race to a GOP upstart who has dismissed U.S. spy agencies’ views on Russia and Syria, and even threatened to order the CIA to resume the use of interrogation methods condemned as torture.

    “It’s fear of the unknown,” said a senior U.S. national security official. “We don’t know what he’s really like under all the talk. . . . How will that play out over the next four years or even the next few months? I don’t know if there is going to be a tidal wave of departures of people who were going to stay around to help Hillary’s team but are now going to be, ‘I’m out of here.’ ”

    “I’m half dreading, half holding my breath going to work today,” said the official, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the subject.


    Michael Hayden, the retired Air Force general and former CIA director who in 2008 briefed a highly skeptical President-elect Obama on the agency’s counterterrorism operations, said that intelligence officials are likely to approach their initial meetings with Trump with professionalism, but also consternation.

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    Trump has already received at least two preliminary briefings, arranged during the campaign by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. But those were done out of tradition and courtesy, providing both candidates broad overviews of security issues while holding back secrets about drone strikes, eavesdropping capabilities and other covert programs.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...6d4_story.html
    Also from that article:

    More recently, U.S. intelligence officials have been disturbed by Trump’s positions on Russia — his statements encouraging Moscow to seek to steal Clinton’s emails and his refusal to accept the intelligence community’s conclusion that the Kremlin was behind a cyberespionage campaign targeting Clinton and the Democratic Party.

    That finding was presented to Trump in one of his early intelligence briefings and then reinforced last month when Clapper’s office took the rare step of issuing a public statement declaring Russia complicit in the hacks.

    Trump treated that determination as unfounded rumor. “I don’t know if they’re behind it, and I think it’s public relations, frankly,” Trump said last month.
    Then this news as of recent:

    The Russian government was in touch with members of President-elect Donald Trump’s political team during the U.S. election campaign and knows most of his entourage, one of Russia’s most senior diplomats told the Interfax news agency on Thursday.

    Accused by defeated Democratic contender Hillary Clinton of being a puppet of President Vladimir Putin after praising the Russian leader, Trump has dismissed suggestions he had anything to do with the Russian government during the campaign.

    But in comments that could prove politically awkward for the president-elect, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said there had indeed been some communications.

    “There were contacts,” Interfax cited Ryabkov as saying. “We are doing this and have been doing this during the election campaign.”

    Such contacts would continue, he added, saying the Russian government knew and had been in touch with many of Trump’s closest allies. He did not name names.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle32787574/
    So much drama in the LBC

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    Originally posted by JohnnyHockey
    Is this the first time we've had an actual businessman run a country?
    That would depend on your definition of a businessman, as even George W Bush ran a selection of businesses through his life.

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    By the end of his term Harper was becoming very spiteful, but I wouldn't go so far as to say hateful, of Islam as well.

    I can imagine that as he gained greater insight into it, he got to see things we will probably never see.

    Peter Mansbridge probably has seen enough, he also tends to see real issues with the religion. You could see him starting to speak out 15 years ago, but has since toned down the rhetoric.
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    Originally posted by pheoxs


    I assume they'd go up given that Trump's economic and tax platform is quite beneficial to large corporations. Slashing the business tax from 35% down to 15% would provide a huge boost in profits
    Don't know if that is necessarily directly correlated though. Trump obviously has no power right now and won't be able to implement any of his policies until several months into 2017 as I'm sure there is a ton left to work out on the implementation side of things. My opinion is his policies will probably look very different than the black and white way he presented them. At this point I also think it's a huge gamble not only to think that he will implement his policies the way he promised but also that the policies will have the positive effects he claimed. With his track record of being relatively unstable and less than optimal business record I personally think most will shy away from betting on him until he releases an actual detailed plan. So I doubt any short term changes will be related to him other than sell off from those worried about the instability he could bring.
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    Beyond poll was the only accurate one lol.

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    Originally posted by Manhattan
    Beyond poll was the only accurate one lol.
    And notably the LA Times poll ...

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    "He can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter -- like, did we fake the moon landing? What really happened in Roswell? And where are Biggie and Tupac?" - Obama

    Haha! I knew it.

    Obama could never pull off telling the people that the moon landing never happened. But I'll bet a casino chip, Trump could.
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    Don Cherry tells 'left-wing kook' Americans to stay home

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    Alberta should just join the US now and give a big f*k you to the rest of Canada

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    Trump says to build Keystone, he wants minimum 25% of the business or profit share.

    Now there's a business man.

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    Originally posted by Antonito
    Good point, maybe he can leverage that into retaining some credibility, but he's definitely lost his main selling point of being super accurate.
    He doesn't do the polls, he analyzes polls already done, and was the only one to give Trump a chance, and realize something was off.

    He tweeted obviously poking fun at the other analysts "sure doesn't seem like an election where one candidate has 99% chance of winning".

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    There is always a dip in stocks in the weeks leading up to an election, simply due to a rise in uncertainty.

    Check S&P 500 in 2012 around the same time...

    And for fuck's sake never read anything in AHT.

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    Was reading that Trump is already denying the media their traditional access to the president-elect, taking his own jet to Washington today and baring them from his motorcade to the white house.

    Serves them right.
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    What's the over/under on impeachment or assassination?

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