NDP about to cost us 2 billion over coal power

[16hypen3sp]

This is turning into a major gongshow...

A government official said the province hiked the price on carbon for large emitters in June 2015, and that the minister wasn't briefed by Alberta Energy officials on the “Enron clause” until March 2016.


However, that date is still well before May, when the government officially tabled its carbon levy legislation.

So they just went ahead and did it anyway knowing full well the shit would hit the fan? There is also a clip circulating on twitter of Prentice telling Notley during the debate before the election that her coal phase out would carry billions in penalties.

Pretty good article here:
http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary...rbon-levy.html

[lasimmon]

I like how they call it the "Enron clause" as if to draw am emotional response from people haha.

[revelations]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
They don't care, this is what they do in every province when they get a majority. Whenever the public gets upset with them they justify it by saying "well we know what is best for you" and cramming whatever their socialist agenda is down our throats.

If you look at the shit they pulled in BC (remember that Notely worked as an aid to the NDP in BC back then too) with the fast ferries, and purchasing/starting up unprofitable mills, depleting the forestry sustainability fund, the bingo embezzlement scandal, the stumpage fees that were so high they were more than the product was worth, building co-generators on Vancouver Island that were mothballed because they had no gas line to them... you start to understand just how fucked up the ideals of this party really are.

Eventually they will push your average person here too far and it will lead to a mass protest, like 100K+ people in size... and they still won't care

The Glen Clark fiasco/joke government of the 90's BC gongshow is in no way similar (IMO) to the Notley regime.

The AB CCCP, to their minimal credit, have actually back tracked on a few occasions where they have fucked up. The BC NDP did no such thing. Fast ferries up the ass!

[reijo]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


My hatred of Nenshi knows no bounds, but the purple bastard nailed it with his comments on this issue.

hahaha ... my exact sentiments. Never voted Nenshi and can't handle his motormouth but he nailed it this time! Credit where credit is due!

R

[reijo]

There is a very simple solution to all this (too bad the NDP is not capable of hearing this!).

1. Dump the carbon tax (it really is the equivalent of a PST which we tend to hate in Alberta!)
2. Quit fast-tracking the demise of coal power generation. We can still do more to clean up the coal generation with scrubbers etc. etc. etc. to provide cleaner air without the ridiculous cost of the current so-called green agenda. Be sensible (I know it is hard but how about trying?).

The sad part? They are such clueless twits that we are going to pay in spades unless we somehow manage to kick their miserable butts out of power before the next election (when they will be decimated ... and I will contribute as fully as possible toward this end!!!!).

Incompetent idiots.

Truly I have insufficient words for such ...

R

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by reijo
There is a very simple solution to all this (too bad the NDP is not capable of hearing this!).

1. Dump the carbon tax (it really is the equivalent of a PST which we tend to hate in Alberta!)
2. Quit fast-tracking the demise of coal power generation. We can still do more to clean up the coal generation with scrubbers etc. etc. etc. to provide cleaner air without the ridiculous cost of the current so-called green agenda. Be sensible (I know it is hard but how about trying?).

The sad part? They are such clueless twits that we are going to pay in spades unless we somehow manage to kick their miserable butts out of power before the next election (when they will be decimated ... and I will contribute as fully as possible toward this end!!!!).

Incompetent idiots.

Truly I have insufficient words for such ...

R

1. Should go ahead but should be delayed to run around the Enron clause or pay up and continue. No point fighting it in court.

2. Should not but 1. will organically drive 2.

[reijo]

Originally posted by lasimmon
I like how they call it the "Enron clause" as if to draw am emotional response from people haha.

That just clearly indicates the sheer incompetence of the NDP.

Contracts normally have clauses in them giving parties the option to opt out if conditions change drastically ... very standard. No person or entity can afford to lose money or account for big changes in a contract. Is that not common sense? It is certainly common in any bigger contracts in construction.

They have no excuse but incompetence.

Reijo

[schocker]

^^^Yeah, I don't understand how they are going to court and are confident they will win and have that clause ruled unlawful. Don't think they understand how it works and Notley is a lawyer.

[reijo]

Originally posted by schocker
^^^Yeah, I don't understand how they are going to court and are confident they will win and have that clause ruled unlawful. Don't think they understand how it works and Notley is a lawyer.

They look really bad right now and they are trying to save face (pride ... pride comes before a fall?) is what I think ... trying to hide their incompetence.

So, you might say they are spending our money on a BC NDP lawyer to fight a fruitless battle (or maybe the point isn't whether they win or lose ... They will more than likely lose) and hope that hides the real issue; that people don't notice their incompetence.

It is kind of like a political spin ...

Reijo

[reijo]

Adding to that ... It is in the "optics".

$2B is a good price to pay if they come out looking good in the end.

But, we, as Albertans are out $2B or whatever for this fiasco.

R

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by reijo


They look really bad right now and they are trying to save face (pride ... pride comes before a fall?) is what I think ... trying to hide their incompetence.

Right on the head.

And if you are going to start a gongshow, start it in the middle of summer vacation when most people are away anyway.

[schocker]

Also, if the court was to rule this item unlawful, wouldn't the power companies just pass the costs on to consumers regardless because of their coal phase out plan?

[reijo]

Originally posted by schocker
Also, if the cot was to rule this item unlawful, wouldn't the power companies just pass the costs on to consumers regardless because of their coal phase out plan?

Absolutely! Like I said before no one (entity or individual) can afford to lose a bunch of money. The costs will be passed on ... It is a cost of doing business.

End result no matter what happens (unless the NDP backs down): You and I are paying for this mess!

If someone in business conducted business in this manner they would be fired in an instant! Why can't we fire these bozos?

[suntan]

Originally posted by AndyL
Because typically when corporations are suing each other the standard answer is "We can't comment on that because it's in litigation."

And nenshi should know better given how many times his grandstanding cost the city thus far...

Seriously - think about it city vs province... Who's going to win? He pisses off the NDP overlords more - we get less - point or not he just shoots the taxpayer in the foot some more.

He's not saying anything particularly insightful. Everybody and their dog knew about the provision, including the NDP themselves.

[Zhariak]

With all this squabbling and hate for the NDP... Why don't people get organized and call on them to dissolve government and call an election.

I hate the NDP, I hate what they've done, I did NOT vote for them. I'm not assuming everyone has my viewpoint, but I very rarely see people praise them (people who I know who voted for them regret it).

Every day there's another piece of news about BS they are pulling, every day there's threads on countless boards of people angry with what they are doing.

Why don't people get organized and demand they step down and call an election???

[FraserB]

Originally posted by Zhariak
With all this squabbling and hate for the NDP... Why don't people get organized and call on them to dissolve government and call an election.

I hate the NDP, I hate what they've done, I did NOT vote for them. I'm not assuming everyone has my viewpoint, but I very rarely see people praise them (people who I know who voted for them regret it).

Every day there's another piece of news about BS they are pulling, every day there's threads on countless boards of people angry with what they are doing.

Why don't people get organized and demand they step down and call an election???

Other than the fact that it won't work and there is means to force it?

[reijo]

Originally posted by Zhariak
With all this squabbling and hate for the NDP... Why don't people get organized and call on them to dissolve government and call an election.

I hate the NDP, I hate what they've done, I did NOT vote for them. I'm not assuming everyone has my viewpoint, but I very rarely see people praise them (people who I know who voted for them regret it).

Every day there's another piece of news about BS they are pulling, every day there's threads on countless boards of people angry with what they are doing.

Why don't people get organized and demand they step down and call an election???

Good question.

I have noted that there seems to be more and more of a movement toward kicking their asses out of office immediately (me included ... I think we, the people, the bosses, should be able to fire their asses for sheer incompetence. They just are not able to do an even somewhat OK job ... which I would be ok with ... and, no, I did not vote for them) ... seeing it on Jason Kenney's FB page, Wild Rose pages, etc.

Maybe something will happen. I surely hope so. This has become intolerable and I'd be there. I'd take time off work, drive from Calgary to Edmonton and protest this bunch of incompetent yoyo's we have in power and get them to step down. I don't see how we can afford to keep them any longer. We need them gone asap.

[suntan]

It's way too early to call an election unfortunately. It'd be a total shitshow.

This close to the last election also greatly favours the incumbent. Despite all the whining they'd be virtually guaranteed to win again.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by suntan
This close to the last election also greatly favours the incumbent. Despite all the whining they'd be virtually guaranteed to win again.

I dunno, all the millenials are too busy playing Pokemon Go to vote this time around. As long as there aren't polling stations at Prince's Island and Glenmore Reservoir, I think the cons would take it.

[Zhariak]

Originally posted by reijo


Good question.

I have noted that there seems to be more and more of a movement toward kicking their asses out of office immediately (me included ... I think we, the people, the bosses, should be able to fire their asses for sheer incompetence. They just are not able to do an even somewhat OK job ... which I would be ok with ... and, no, I did not vote for them) ... seeing it on Jason Kenney's FB page, Wild Rose pages, etc.

Maybe something will happen. I surely hope so. This has become intolerable and I'd be there. I'd take time off work, drive from Calgary to Edmonton and protest this bunch of incompetent yoyo's we have in power and get them to step down. I don't see how we can afford to keep them any longer. We need them gone asap.

Same here, I'd gladly drive up to Edmonton to protest the government... If it was organized enough, and people REALLY really wanted to do something about it, if a large enough amount showed up, it would start something big... Media coverage, chatter, etc... More and more people would feel the need to voice their distaste against the current government if people were willing to do something about it peacefully and organized...

Originally posted by suntan
It's way too early to call an election unfortunately. It'd be a total shitshow.

This close to the last election also greatly favours the incumbent. Despite all the whining they'd be virtually guaranteed to win again.

It is early, and it wouldn't be the most organized thing, but the current situation is a shitshow as it is! In the long run do you think the results of having another election this quickly would be worse than the current government and policies?

It wouldn't be the best thing in the world, but for sure it would have more pros than cons...