Livingston (New North Community)

[oilerfan4lyfe]

Looks like a new community is being built on Centre St just north of Stoney Tr. Anyone know more about this? It looks like they might be paving 144th Ave which is nice to connect with part of Evanston since who knows how long the 14st bridge will take, but it doesn't look like they're twinning Centre St...so it makes me wonder how the hell people will get in and out of there?

Their website has a map that I can't read because it's tiny:

http://alberta.brookfieldresidential...ry/livingston/

[Disoblige]

What's the quality of Brookfield homes?

[ExtraSlow]

Brookfield is the developer, they will have multiple home builders working in Livingston.

[Dumbass17]

Dear Calgary,

Stop expanding,

Sincerely, me

[viff3r]

Originally posted by oilerfan4lyfe
...so it makes me wonder how the hell people will get in and out of there?

Doesn't matter.

Step 1. Build massive urban sprawl
Step 2. Worry about traffic
Step 3. ???????
Step 4. Profit


I thought Nenshi was putting a stop to the rapid advancement of these huge suburbs, but I guess this is another one that snuck in before he came on the scene. Another one is the new area that will be developed north of 144th between Simons Valley blvd & Shag.

[speedog]

Originally posted by viff3r

Doesn't matter.

Step 1. Build massive urban sprawl
Step 2. Worry about traffic
Step 3. ???????
Step 4. Profit


I thought Nenshi was putting a stop to the rapid advancement of these huge suburbs, but I guess this is another one that snuck in before he came on the scene. Another one is the new area that will be developed north of 144th between Simons Valley blvd & Shag.

Nenshi doesn't have that authority.

[Quizzes]

So, is this part of Keystone Hills or just renamed to Livingston?

[?????]

Originally posted by Quizzes
So, is this part of Keystone Hills or just renamed to Livingston?

Keystone Hills was the original development of the area. They have broken it down into two communities so far. Carrington (Mattamy) and Livingston (Brookfield). Carrington broke ground late last year and Livingston just broke ground in June.

Originally Genstar was linked up with Brookfield in the Keystone planning but now I see Carrington listed on Genstars website. Maybe a switch in partners.

No info here but a thread from 2 years back. http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?threadid=380252

[eblend]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
Brookfield is the developer, they will have multiple home builders working in Livingston.

Brookfield Residential also builds homes themselves as well, mostly starter homes, although they did buy Albi Homes almost a year ago, so the higher end homes are built by them as well.

I have heard good things about their homes, but never had one so can't comment.

[rage2]

Originally posted by viff3r
Doesn't matter.

Step 1. Build massive urban sprawl
Step 2. Worry about traffic
Step 3. ???????
Step 4. Profit


I thought Nenshi was putting a stop to the rapid advancement of these huge suburbs, but I guess this is another one that snuck in before he came on the scene. Another one is the new area that will be developed north of 144th between Simons Valley blvd & Shag.

This is the first community from Nenshi's tenure to be approved as a high density suburb. There's going to be a lot of high density condos and commercial developments there. The idea (or dream) is that the residents doesn't need to travel out of there, the community is walkable so that residents can work and shop "locally", hence no need for large scale traffic planning. The city calls it a complete community, and that's basically how all new suburbs will be designed.

Good luck haha.

[cyra1ax]

Originally posted by rage2

This is the first community from Nenshi's tenure to be approved as a high density suburb. There's going to be a lot of high density condos and commercial developments there. The idea (or dream) is that the residents doesn't need to travel out of there, the community is walkable so that residents can work and shop "locally", hence no need for large scale traffic planning. The city calls it a complete community, and that's basically how all new suburbs will be designed.

Good luck haha.

Sounds kind of like what's been happening up here in Airdrie. Can say with certainty that it doesn't work.

I hope they're bright enough to design more than two ways out of the community onto collector roads.

[suntan]

Originally posted by viff3r
I thought Nenshi was putting a stop to the rapid advancement of these huge suburbs, but I guess this is another one that snuck in before he came on the scene. Another one is the new area that will be developed north of 144th between Simons Valley blvd & Shag.

The fat fuck rents out a house way out in the NE edge.

Even that obese shitface dimly realizes that you have to expand the city to keep housing somewhat affordable.

[88CRX]

Originally posted by suntan
The fat fuck rents out a house way out in the NE edge.

Even that obese shitface dimly realizes that you have to expand the city to keep housing somewhat affordable.

[Quizzes]

Originally posted by suntan
The fat fuck rents out a house way out in the NE edge.

Maybe that's how he controls Turban Sprawl.

[cyra1ax]

Originally posted by Quizzes


Maybe that's how he controls Turban Sprawl.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Quizzes


Maybe that's how he controls Turban Sprawl.

:slow clap:

[viff3r]

Originally posted by rage2

This is the first community from Nenshi's tenure to be approved as a high density suburb. There's going to be a lot of high density condos and commercial developments there. The idea (or dream) is that the residents doesn't need to travel out of there, the community is walkable so that residents can work and shop "locally", hence no need for large scale traffic planning. The city calls it a complete community, and that's basically how all new suburbs will be designed.

Good luck haha.

Doesn't sound all that different from the other new-ish NW communities - Panorama, Evanston, Sage Hill, Nolan hill...

[rage2]

Originally posted by cyra1ax
Sounds kind of like what's been happening up here in Airdrie. Can say with certainty that it doesn't work.

Large US metropolitan areas have proven this doesn't work. Their communities and even their tax base is designed around this concept, where property tax primarily goes back towards the communities which are actual cities in itself with their own mayor. In the end, Americans tolerate 1-2 hour one way commutes to work on a daily basis. Most of my early and late meetings with Americans are on calls with them driving or on transit.

Originally posted by viff3r
Doesn't sound all that different from the other new-ish NW communities - Panorama, Evanston, Sage Hill, Nolan hill...

Those communities are still mostly SFH. IIRC, the ASP has <25% of the land zoned for SFH. ASP here:

http://www.calgary.ca/PDA/pd/Documen...f?noredirect=1

Min. 30% of the land is designated for medium to high density housing.

[cloud7]

Originally posted by oilerfan4lyfe
Looks like a new community is being built on Centre St just north of Stoney Tr. Anyone know more about this? It looks like they might be paving 144th Ave which is nice to connect with part of Evanston since who knows how long the 14st bridge will take, but it doesn't look like they're twinning Centre St...so it makes me wonder how the hell people will get in and out of there?

Their website has a map that I can't read because it's tiny:

http://alberta.brookfieldresidential...ry/livingston/

The part of Livingston that Brookfield is developing is east of Centre Street (although I believe they also own lands north of 144 Avenue west of Centre Street), so it will not be contributing to infrastructure west of Centre Street. However, I believe 144 Avenue is being done by Mattamy and Genstar as they need two ways to get in and out of their community. Centre Street will be widened by the developers as well but likely not from day 1. The two lane road currently has some capacity for additional traffic. The real pinch point will be the bridge over Stoney Trail. I don't think people will have problems getting in and out of the new communities... at least not to the degree that they had with Evanston.

[88CRX]

Originally posted by rage2



Min. 30% of the land is designated for medium to high density housing.

Yup. Hope everyone likes living in 500-600 ft2 apartments with 0.75 parking stalls per unit!