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    The notch looks so weird because it kills the clean line IMO. How will face recognition be able to tell a real face vs. a photo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipstah View Post

    The notch looks so weird because it kills the clean line IMO. How will face recognition be able to tell a real face vs. a photo?
    tons of test and online reads will tell you. photos have tricked similar systems before. now they worry about 3d printing of faces. nothing is foolproof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipstah View Post

    The notch looks so weird because it kills the clean line IMO. How will face recognition be able to tell a real face vs. a photo?
    Yeah the notch looks terrible IMO. The Essential phone has it too and it just looks bad. Even worse is Apple isn't letting developers use trickery to reduce the eye-sore factor, but of course having people more easily recognize the iPhone X trumps usability. You can't even look at a photo without it looking like someone took a bite out of it.

    The Face ID won't be easy to fool, it looks at depth as well. It projects thousands of dots onto your face and analyzes the distortion of the grid (kind of like CGI enhancements). You might be able to fool it with a 3D printer, but that is far beyond the effort any normal person would go to. The problem is that it seems to work from a distance, and just having to point the phone at someone to get it to unlock is a pretty major security concern. Getting someone to look in your direction is far easier than forcing their finger onto the home button or forcing them to tell you the passcode. The counter argument of course is you don't have to use biometrics at all, but that is very inconvenient. For the average user though it probably won't matter either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipstah View Post
    How will face recognition be able to tell a real face vs. a photo?
    Photos only work on Samsung's ridiculously stupid implementation of facial recognition. Other systems that are single camera, at least they look for motion which then can be tricked by a video. Both of which easy to steal on Facebook.

    The first real good consumer grade facial recognition was the Surface Pro Windows Hello setup. AFAIK it hasn't been hacked yet, and even identical twins can't unlock the device. That's a simple 2 camera (normal + IR) setup to map things in 3D. The iPhone X setup is way beyond that in terms of 3D detail. The closest hack to Windows Hello is the theory that enough FB photos and video can 3D print your head to unlock. That's in theory, it has never been accomplished on the Surface Pro yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
    Yeah the notch looks terrible IMO. The Essential phone has it too and it just looks bad. Even worse is Apple isn't letting developers use trickery to reduce the eye-sore factor, but of course having people more easily recognize the iPhone X trumps usability. You can't even look at a photo without it looking like someone took a bite out of it.

    The Face ID won't be easy to fool, it looks at depth as well. It projects thousands of dots onto your face and analyzes the distortion of the grid (kind of like CGI enhancements). You might be able to fool it with a 3D printer, but that is far beyond the effort any normal person would go to. The problem is that it seems to work from a distance, and just having to point the phone at someone to get it to unlock is a pretty major security concern. Getting someone to look in your direction is far easier than forcing their finger onto the home button or forcing them to tell you the passcode. The counter argument of course is you don't have to use biometrics at all, but that is very inconvenient. For the average user though it probably won't matter either way.
    I think you would get used to the notch fairly quickly regardless of its relative big size. I don't even notice it on my Essential phone anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakalaka View Post
    I think you would get used to the notch fairly quickly regardless of its relative big size. I don't even notice it on my Essential phone anymore.
    I think you would be right if it didn't take a chunk out of things you are trying to view - for me that would be impossible to get used to, especially since we've all spent our entire lives looking at uniform screens. If they allowed developers to cut off that area of the screen or mitigate it with a black bar, I agree it would be much less noticeable. The iPhone's cut-out is way worse than the Essential phone too, so maybe that one is easier to get used to and developers probably have a lot more leeway to skirt it. Or if they just kept that space reserved for notifications or something, it wouldn't be as bad.

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    iOS 11 is out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
    If they allowed developers to cut off that area of the screen or mitigate it with a black bar, I agree it would be much less noticeable.
    That's exactly what I thought when I saw the picture that Flipstah posted. It's seems like a no brainer to just black out that small horizontal area, but perhaps we're missing something.

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    Clever. Unfortunately, won't be allowed by Apple. They are doing everything possible from a UI guidelines perspective to force acceptance of the notch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rage2 View Post


    Clever. Unfortunately, won't be allowed by Apple. They are doing everything possible from a UI guidelines perspective to force acceptance of the notch.
    Shit, even MS retracted with the "notches" of W8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D'z Nutz View Post
    iPhone 8/8+ is the new 5c. Don't be caught with the poor people model.
    haha okay sounds good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth1968 View Post
    That's exactly what I thought when I saw the picture that Flipstah posted. It's seems like a no brainer to just black out that small horizontal area, but perhaps we're missing something.
    Yeah like rage said, probably won't be allowed. And even if it were allowed, you would be intentionally removing screen real estate from your ~$1500 phone just so it didn't look weird haha. Crazy.

    In other news I am looking forward to trying out iOS 11's file system on the 10.5. I'm going to buy one of these and see what I can do:

    https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/produc...fb7ec794307778

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_boost View Post
    haha okay sounds good!
    So much cheen laaa

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    Downloading iOS 11 on my 7 Plus right now. Any special features I need to look out for after it's done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakalaka View Post
    Downloading iOS 11 on my 7 Plus right now. Any special features I need to look out for after it's done?
    Download ikea place. Try a bunch of shit in the house. Then buy shit from ikea haha. There’s a plan builder app that uses AR to map your entire house down to every corner and shit. Then you can modify the house and see how it looks in 3D.

    Really, the only 2 useful ARkit app so far. Some of those games are just forcing AR for the sake of it.
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