When will spinning disks become uncommon?

[The_Penguin]

Originally posted by 01RedDX
The low-end consumer market will continue to use HDDs for the foreseeable future, while on the enterprise side, most offsite backup libraries haven't even moved from LTO tapes yet and are just now starting to slowly move over to platters.

Yikes. Haven't used tape for backups in probably 8 years.
That's like using a dial-up modem to access the Internet

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
it seems like you are exaggerating quite a bit.

A really fast SD card is 150 Mb/s and that appears to be close to that of spinning platter hdd, if I'm reading those specs right.
Sample SD card: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX60160

When it comes to performance, you tend to use iops instead of transfer rate.

Any crap SSD will do 20,000 iops, SD card will only do ~1000 iops read and 100iops write.

So while some SD will be better than spinning disk (~140-200iops), it is far behind SSD.

Originally posted by killramos
If an SD card is 1X, a HDD is 1X, SSD is 20X

FTFY, this is a more correct representation.

This is why on Android, when you run apps on SD card, it always goes super slow.

Originally posted by The_Penguin


Yikes. Haven't used tape for backups in probably 8 years.
That's like using a dial-up modem to access the Internet

I found most mid to large enterprise still have off site tapes although tapes is no longer the 1st media backup hits any more.

Small shops switched (or should switch) to cloud already.

[benyl]

When an SSD shits the bed, you're fucked. At least with a platter, there is a chance at recovery.

[UndrgroundRider]

Originally posted by benyl
When an SSD shits the bed, you're fucked. At least with a platter, there is a chance at recovery.

That's a poor reason to go with rotational media. Both media types suffer failures that jeopardize data (in addition to all sorts of other possible disaster scenarios). A good backup system is always important, regardless of the underlying storage medium.

[revelations]

A mechanical disc might give you more clues that its about to crash (eg. occasional clicking or magic smoke from the controller board) but thats a really bad reason to stay away from SSD.

Does anyone have personal experience with late model SSDs dying? I've literally dealt with nearly 100 over the last 8 years and not once have I heard of a dead SSD - with the exception of the early-1st gen models from 2008 - where I had one die on me - in Northern Ontario of course.

[UndrgroundRider]

Originally posted by revelations
A mechanical disc might give you more clues that its about to crash (eg. occasional clicking or magic smoke from the controller board) but thats a really bad reason to stay away from SSD.

Does anyone have personal experience with late model SSDs dying? I've literally dealt with nearly 100 over the last 8 years and not once have I heard of a dead SSD - with the exception of the early-1st gen models from 2008 - where I had one die on me - in Northern Ontario of course.

Same experience here. I've had a first gen model die, but nothing as of late (and we abuse the shit out of them). I have a number of machines running 8 SSD's in RAID 0 for ultra-high IOPS databases.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by revelations
A mechanical disc might give you more clues that its about to crash (eg. occasional clicking or magic smoke from the controller board) but thats a really bad reason to stay away from SSD.

Does anyone have personal experience with late model SSDs dying? I've literally dealt with nearly 100 over the last 8 years and not once have I heard of a dead SSD - with the exception of the early-1st gen models from 2008 - where I had one die on me - in Northern Ontario of course.

Every time I've thought my SSD was dead over the last 5-6 years it wasn't, and it was something else They have been the most reliable storage medium for me by far compared to traditional HDDs. Having no moving parts and shock immunity is also a huge plus.

Decent SSD's these days have well over a Petabyte of TBW before possible failure, which is probably 5-10+ years for most users, or much longer than the ownership of the PC. They have some pretty big warranties too.

[01RedDX]

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[msommers]

I've had both over the years and nothing has failed. Lucky I guess?

[suntan]

Originally posted by revelations


And these are not tablets? Im talking about lappers in the 14-17" range.

edit:

>=14" laptops
excluding dual drive units
any size SSD

12 units shown and only 3 of those are <1000$.

I have clients bringing me 300$ Acer/Walmart laptops and I turn them into machines that can perform basic web-surfing and emails just as good as a 1000$ unit.

LOL you don't need an SSD to watch porn and read emails, even on a $300 machine. And why the fuck are you putting in 500GB SSDs in them then???

[suntan]

We had one Intel SSD fail at the office.

[revelations]

Originally posted by suntan
LOL you don't need an SSD to watch porn and read emails, even on a $300 machine. And why the fuck are you putting in 500GB SSDs in them then???

I don't know if you've ever used a brand new- out of the box, cheap laptop - they are super slow. An SSD instantly wakes up the unit, even before OEM program clutter removal.

Its appalling that for 50-100$ the OEM couldn't have dumped in a 256 SSD into the unit.

Who said anything about 500GB SSDs?

[suntan]

What really bothers me is that most laptops, with a single drive, dont come with a 250-500gb SSD as standard.

Hey who wrote that?

Jesus, price it out, you're expecting a $300 laptop to have a 256GB SSD???

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by revelations


I don't know if you've ever used a brand new- out of the box, cheap laptop - they are super slow. An SSD instantly wakes up the unit, even before OEM program clutter removal.

Its appalling that for 50-100$ the OEM couldn't have dumped in a 256 SSD into the unit.

Who said anything about 500GB SSDs?

^^ This. An SSD makes a night & day difference even for the most basic of tasks, even if all you do is use internet and email. HDD's are worthless except for storage drives these days IMHO.

You can buy a Samsung EVO 850 250GB SSD for about $100, and lesser ones for far less - I don't know why anyone would ever have their OS & programs on a spinning HDD. The cost difference between a cheap SSD and HDD is almost nothing.

The only reason I can think of for manufacturers putting in HDD's instead of SSD's in systems is because uneducated buyers see 1TB of storage and assume it's better than a lower number.

It's hard to find a laptop under even $1000 without a 500GB or 1TB HDD as the only drive.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
The only reason I can think of for manufacturers putting in HDD's instead of SSD's in systems is because uneducated buyers see 1TB of storage and assume it's better than a lower number.

That's it exactly and true for many other products.

[revelations]

Originally posted by suntan
Hey who wrote that?

Jesus, price it out, you're expecting a $300 laptop to have a 256GB SSD???

You didnt include that in your quote. But yes I would like to see cheaper laptops come with, at least the option of, a 256-500 GB SSD.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by revelations


You didnt include that in your quote. But yes I would like to see cheaper laptops come with, at least the option of, a 256-500 GB SSD.

Me too, but I doubt that will happen until there is a concesus reached between the manufactures.

As far as storage size goes, it's rare I have to do a data backup that exceeds 30 or 40 GB's on residential computers. Typical is more like 2 to 10. So even 256 is a heck of a lot more than most people need.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Every time I go looking for laptops to help someone looking to buy, I see one that looks great, maybe it's even on sale, and you start going down the spec list and see that dreaded "1TB HDD" or "500GB HDD" even on $1000+ laptops. You can sometimes swap it out but most people don't want to do that I wouldn't think, especially if they don't know enough about computers to find a laptop themselves.

Also every computer I have ever overhauled for a friend/coworker, they have like 2GB of tiny JPEG photos, a few hundred Kb of word/excel docs, and are using ~5% of their storage space, always on some enormous, slow, spinner drive.

[thetransporter]

Originally posted by revelations


My laptop battery showed an immediate 10-15% boost in expected run time on battery - and it was correct.

But as far as that old HDD, did you manage to access the contents?

autoexec.bat command.com

[revelations]

Originally posted by thetransporter



autoexec.bat command.com

What, no config.sys ?