Calgary mayoral election October 16, 2017

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To be fair, Nenshi hasn’t hiked residential property tax any more than his predecessors. Business tax on the other hand, that’s where he’s been more aggressive.

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To make up the gap in arena funding, I wonder why Nenshi just doesn't arrange an interest free loan from the City with a TBD payback to be done via donations from the public and offer a tax receipt to the donors..

"Hey Mr. or Mrs. Bank Manager. I'm Naheed Nenshi. We want a $225M loan with no interest that has no defined payback date."


Just that easy.

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"Hey Mr. or Mrs. Bank Manager. I'm Naheed Nenshi. We want a $225M loan with no interest that has no defined payback date."

Just that easy.

Was just that easy for Nenshi's legal fees.

[kertejud2]

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Was just that easy for Nenshi's legal fees.

Because who cares about a magnitude of 1000 when dealing with financials, right?

It's angry citizen math. $225M in loans on top of $150M of other loans is the same as $300,000. Because that's how you make a joke. Until it isn't a joke, and people think that is how taxes go up. Because they don't see how the numbers are different. Same with thinking $6M in capital spending on bike lanes and two public art installations are why the city operating budget it out of control.

Or are you trying to suggest that because Nenshi's legal fees were paid off, means that $225M would also get paid off no problem?

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Because who cares about a magnitude of 1000 when dealing with financials, right?

It's angry citizen math. $225M in loans on top of $150M of other loans is the same as $300,000. Because that's how you make a joke. Until it isn't a joke, and people think that is how taxes go up. Because they don't see how the numbers are different. Same with thinking $6M in capital spending on bike lanes and two public art installations are why the city operating budget it out of control.

Or are you trying to suggest that because Nenshi's legal fees were paid off, means that $225M would also get paid off no problem?

The only thing I'm suggesting is that you missed Maxt's joke.

[dirtsniffer]

got his purple panties in a bunch pretty quick..

250 million for a library. Dayum

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The only thing I'm suggesting is that you missed Maxt's joke.

Yep, and it was hilarious, because they're comparable.

Here's one:


Why didn't Ric McIver just give the Tsuu Tina $700M so the province can build two CalgaryNEXT's on their land?

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For the almost four decades I've resided in Calgary every mayor eventually had their run end - they were maybe somewhat right for the city at the time but those mayors and the city eventually went down different paths. With Nenshi, I think we're almost at that point but the problem is that there really isn't what I consider to be a viable alternative amongst the current crop of wanna-be's.

Ward 7 where my community was moved to has Chu and Miller as the leading candidates and I would dare say that Miller has a fair chance of taking that seat away from Chu and Mlller appears that he could be a very capable replacement for Chu - the CoC's mayor race, nope, there just isn't someone there that looks like a half decent mayoral replacement and as such, we'll chug along for another four years at which point Nenshi most likely won't run or we will have a real alternative put their name forward. Chabot - umm, no. Smith - he'll kill any chances he'll have just by himself or the team he has around him.

As much as many might not like it, it's gonna be another four years of Nenshi whining in beyond. Druh - probably the same but there could be a surprise there yet.

[dj_patm]

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To be fair, Nenshi hasn’t hiked residential property tax any more than his predecessors. Business tax on the other hand, that’s where he’s been more aggressive.

City looks to be coming out of it okay.

As someone said earlier, it seems like most Nenshi hate is from overestimating the impact of the things his haters really hate.

[Maxt]

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"Hey Mr. or Mrs. Bank Manager. I'm Naheed Nenshi. We want a $225M loan with no interest that has no defined payback date."



Just that easy.

The city went to the bank for Nenshi's loan? Who paid the interest then? What the city's reserves at right now? Did nenshi have a defined payback date? What security did he put up?
There also has to be business case for when a corporation lends money, not sure how that passed being interest free.

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The city went to the bank for Nenshi's loan? Who paid the interest then? What the city's reserves at right now? Did nenshi have a defined payback date? What security did he put up? There also has to be business case for when a corporation lends money, not sure how that passed being interest free.

The business case for the city was that their legal department made him indemnified meaning the city would cover his legal costs, and thus he didn't have to pay the money back. So the city didn't actually give him a loan. It was only considered a loan because he insisted it was, and then donations were made back to the city, which grants a tax receipt. So again, almost like the two salutations aren't worth comparing in any way, money aside. But great joke, all the same.



So really Ken King should be running for mayor, get into a legal spat with the Flames, and ensure he does something bad enough to rack up $225M in legal fees, hopes the city decides to cover them, and then the city effectively pays for the gap in arena funding. Just that easy.

[Maxt]

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The business case for the city was that their legal department made him indemnified meaning the city would cover his legal costs, and thus he didn't have to pay the money back. So the city didn't actually give him a loan. It was only considered a loan because he insisted it was, and then donations were made back to the city, which grants a tax receipt. So again, almost like the two salutations aren't worth comparing in any way, money aside. But great joke, all the same.



So really Ken King should be running for mayor, get into a legal spat with the Flames, and ensure he does something bad enough to rack up $225M in legal fees, hopes the city decides to cover them, and then the city effectively pays for the gap in arena funding. Just that easy.

He still has yet to really make the case how he was acting in the public interest, but whatever.
Sure let's go with KK plan, us corporate guys are looking for all the tax receipts we can get with Liberal tax changes, and then some of it gets shoved towards the Feds as well.

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He still has yet to really make the case how he was acting in the public interest, but whatever.

At this point does he need to? Even if he was required to try, what good would it do?

The legal council for the city said he did, and the money got paid back. Not sure what more would need to be done that wouldn't be a waste of money that could possibly satiate the angry mob.

[Maxt]

Explain to us exactly how his actions that lead to that were in the interests of the City again? Was he or was he not a running candidate at that time?

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Oh man, Larry is beyond's man - CBC link. I took the liberty of bolding the bullets below that would satiate many a beyond member.

OPINION
Mayoral candidate Larry Heather, on the challenges facing Calgary

'City Hall is a Growth Planning Monstrosity afflicted with the equivalent of Gigantism.'

20 Plank Policy Platform

I pledge to restore the Lordship of Christ to the Mayor's Office in harmony with the Supremacy of God preamble of the Charter. This is a transparent statement of my value allegiance and no one need be surprised if my actions are based on this overarching governance.

1. Cut City Staffing by one-third. City Hall is a Growth Planning Monstrosity afflicted with the equivalent of Gigantism. Unnecessary and distortion producing growth due to pituitary tumor producing overproduction of growth hormone.

2. Fighting Congestion and making vehicle travel in Calgary efficient again will be a major focus of Larry's term.

3. Reversal of the renaming of Langevin Bridge to Reconciliation Bridge. Halting the imposition of supplanted loyalties, and dumping of invocation of Treaty Seven sovereignty that replaced the Council Prayer. Educate on the dangers of false historical revisionism of Canada's History. Promote the Commonwealth and the monarchy as an irreplaceable part of Canada's History.

4. Commitment to restore the Lordship of Christ over the Mayor's Office To honor the Supremacy of God as the basis for the Rule of law.

5. Dissolving the Municipal Land Corporation to get the City out of profiting from the manipulation and speculation of land pricing.

6. Seek to Remove Bowfort Towers to a more suitable location such as the entrance to a Calgary landfill. Revoking of the Public Art policy, and making grants conditional per location, subject to public scrutiny before project is chosen.

7. Reinstate the older hours when a playground speed zone was applicable. Do not allow schools to be designated playground zones. Oppose any moves to lower residential speeds down to 40 or 30kph across the City.

8. Phase out the use of CRL districts which burden the general taxpayer, and the ruse of Bonus Density slush funds.

9. Educate on the origin of, the irreplaceable benefits of R1 Community zoning and restrict the secondary suites areas, reinstate the application fees.

10. Reduce the Cycle track network on major roads, limit the growth of cycling lanes to proven usage only. Proper reporting of non-distorting statistics.

11. Stop the needless replication of Provincial and Federal Ministry Departments and functions within the City structure.

12. Scale back on the 'royalty language' of design. We should serve the taxpayer, not the excessive vision of a bankrupting, #Socialust regime. Drastically reduce the amount of time spent In-Camera from the public scrutiny. From the current 25% to a median 7%.

13. Reversing the Diversity, Equal Gender hiring mandates of the Civic Administration, Police Force, and Fire Department. All positions to be merit based only.

14. Work on cutting the supply chain of illegal drugs. Educate citizens on the harm of so-called legalized drugs. Tough action on the pushers of drugs.

15. Refuse as much as possible, all provincial and Federal funding based on ill-defined Carbon Taxes, environmental penalties which are harmful to the oil and gas economy of Calgary.

16. Repeal and Replace the bankrupting and foolish, excessive urban designs of Imagine Calgary, The Municipal Development Plan, and the Calgary Transportation Plan. Restore the primacy of the automobile and truck to our mode of transportation. Monumentalizing in the Core cannot be allowed to debase Municipal Standards throughout the rest of the Calgary.

17. Drastically reduce property and business taxes, letting the business growth develop along consumer demand, not socialistic projections.

18. Revoke Stickered Mailbox bans, these are a violation of protected Free Speech.

19. The building of a new Arena can only be accomplished by ensuring drastic cutbacks in municipal spending and mandate drift and overreach. The lowering of property and utilities taxation will benefit all pro sports ventures in the City.

20. A major reform in enforcement of the Community Standards bylaw to reverse the current slide into SlumVille tolerated by the current regime. Also a dedicated program to halt weed proliferation on private and public realms. The current 3rd Worldish maintenance standards of the current regime must be taken to the dump along with Bowfort Towers.

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Gotta admit, #6 made me lol.

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Gotta admit, #6 made me lol.

#7 should be the vote getter for almost every beyond member but my gawd, what a buffoon he is and how funny would it be if he actually got in.

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#4 and #14 suggest to me this person is probably a bit of a hyper religious nut job. Not getting my vote that's for damn sure.

[tonytiger55]

#4. This is bad. But then again, he may not be religious. Could be just appealing to a segment of the voter base.

#14. I never understand this 'Tough' on the pushers of drug talk. It would be more prudent to treat it like a business and confiscate the funds/Assets and put those back in the community.

#16. Restore the primacy of the automobile and truck to our mode of transportation- WTF?

#19. Have any of the candidates bothered looking abroad and seen how it has been done?

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Explain to us exactly how his actions that lead to that were in the interests of the City again?

"The City Solicitor decided early in the litigation process that Mayor Nenshi was acting within the scope of his duties and therefore entitled to the benefit of The City's indemnity for members of Council," reads a statement from the mayor's office.

That's what there is. That's why it wasn't considered a loan. The only reason it needed to get paid back is because Nenshi insisted that it did to council. That's all there is to it. If you want to know the exact reasons why they felt he was acting within the scope of his duties and therefore entitled to the benefit of The City's indemnity for members of Council, you'll have to try and contact the City solicitor. Or your councilor I guess. But like I said, is there an answer that would change your mind? I doubt it.