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[ExtraSlow]

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My boss is trying to find a general labourer right now. The amount of engineers that apply is quite high. I convinced him to at least give some a chance as he was doubtful of how long they would last as a labourer.

Let's just say the few he did call, didn't do any other educated people down on their luck, any favours. Extremely entitled, and didn't even know who we are or what we do. One guys first question was "how much you paying?"

The problem is for sure a 2-way street. Shit, there's lots of entitled useless clueless engineers in engineering roles too.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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The problem is for sure a 2-way street. Shit, there's lots of entitled useless clueless engineers in engineering roles too.

Fo' sho. There are some clueless engineers in finance roles too, Phil.

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My boss is trying to find a general labourer right now. The amount of engineers that apply is quite high. I convinced him to at least give some a chance as he was doubtful of how long they would last as a labourer.

Let's just say the few he did call, didn't do any other educated people down on their luck, any favours. Extremely entitled, and didn't even know who we are or what we do. One guys first question was "how much you paying?"

That is extremely frustrating to see and I'm not surprised.
And you can bet that those who are looking for work and acted like that were "bottom of the barrel" quality engineers in the industry.

Edit: ExtraSlow beat me to it, as I didn't skip the last page before replying

[Xtrema]

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MOne guys first question was "how much you paying?"

That question on 1st interview guarantees application goes to bottom of the pile.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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That question on 1st interview guarantees application goes to bottom of the pile.

Conversely, is it ok for companies to ask how much your salary expectations are? I'm just playing ExtraSlow's advocate.

[flipstah]

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Conversely, is it ok for companies to ask how much your salary expectations are? I'm just playing ExtraSlow's advocate.

They always do when I had interviews and gave them a range that fits the average on glassdoor and what I want on the high end

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Conversely, is it ok for companies to ask how much your salary expectations are? I'm just playing ExtraSlow's advocate.

Best not to put a value to it; the company is putting you in an awkward situation when they do that. To me, it shows that the company is trying to see if they can hire me for less or see if I'm too entitled. But I would never put a value.

I would just say, "similar to a xxx role in a major oil and gas company with xx years experience" and I might be more specific and mention a little more based on my experience at xx or something if it was something completely valid.

[killramos]

2 key parts of an employment agreement:
What do you want me to do?

And

What do you want to pay me to do it?

While I don’t think it’s the most tactful thing to bring up, it’s interesting that someone asking one of the 2 key questions “puts them at the bottom of the list”.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Best not to put a value to it; the company is putting you in an awkward situation when they do that. To me, it shows that the company is trying to see if they can hire me for less or see if I'm too entitled. But I would never put a value.

I would just say, "similar to a xxx role in a major oil and gas company with xx years experience" and I might be more specific on maybe a little more based on my experience at xx or something.

HR people always push for a specific number while refusing to disclose their ask. It's inefficient.

[Tik-Tok]

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Conversely, is it ok for companies to ask how much your salary expectations are? I'm just playing ExtraSlow's advocate.

Not as the first question on the interview, lol.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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2 key parts of an employment agreement:
What do you want me to do?

And

What do you want to pay me to do it?

While I don’t think it’s the most tactful thing to bring up, it’s interesting that someone asking one of the 2 key questions “puts them at the bottom of the list”.

This approach works across all industries and districts.

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Not as the first question on the interview, lol.

Ok fine. Third question.

[Disoblige]

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HR people always push for a specific number while refusing to disclose their ask. It's inefficient.

Yeah it sucks when you are in those interviews where they do an initial one with just HR. Depending on the role, HR doesn't know wtf they are doing.
The best interviews are the ones with HR and the hiring manager in there so they can talk more about your technical skills than just generic stuff (although is important as well).

[killramos]

I mean I guess it’s also important to figure out if they play goal in beer league, but hey I don’t pretend to know peoples priorities.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Yeah it sucks when you are in those interviews where they do an initial one with just HR. Depending on the role, HR doesn't know wtf they are doing.
The best interviews are the ones with HR and the hiring manager in there so they can talk more about your technical skills than just generic stuff (although is important as well).

We should have more engineers masquerading as accounting HR specialists!

Second question: Do I get an expense account?

[killramos]

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We should have more engineers masquerading as accounting HR specialists!

Second question: Do I get an expense account?

Don’t forget “I can fix the coffee machine”

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I mean I guess it’s also important to figure out if they play goal in beer league, but hey I don’t pretend to know peoples priorities.

Hey, that is some clever questions. It's secretly figuring out if they're a square or not.

Qualified people = good
Qualified people + builds office morale and culture = great

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Hey, that is some clever questions. It's secretly figuring out if they're a square or not.

Qualified people = good
Qualified people + builds office morale and culture = great

What's wrong with squares?

[vengie]

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Word. 40K cash for a single dude with one mortgage/rent should last okay for 6 months.

Lol, never change beyond...

If a single person is spending $6700/month in expenses he/ she is definitely doing blow and or living one hell of a lifestyle.

Moral of the story, have 6 months liquidity for YOUR lifestyle. Whatever that number may be.

[killramos]

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Hey, that is some clever questions. It's secretly figuring out if they're a square or not.

Qualified people = good
Qualified people + builds office morale and culture = great

Squares who do their jobs I can deal with.

Now people who make their problems my problems, that’s a fucking issue haha

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Lol, never change beyond...

If a single person is spending $6700/month in expenses he/ she is definitely doing blow and or living one hell of a lifestyle.

Moral of the story, have 6 months liquidity for YOUR lifestyle. Whatever that number may be.

What are they students or something?

[The_Rural_Juror]

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Lol, never change beyond...

If a single person is spending $6700/month in expenses he/ she is definitely doing blow and or living one hell of a lifestyle.

Moral of the story, have 6 months liquidity for YOUR lifestyle. Whatever that number may be.

I can downsize my lifestyle to utilities, internet, and ramen if need be.