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    Gavin's not here, you have to call him like any other business.
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    Gavin came by and gave a very detailed assessment on how best to install an unit at our house, including modifications needed to make it with our older home ducting situation. It was good to hear the thought process behind why he wants to do things a certain way. Price is about ~20% higher than when we got quoted from W&J a few years back, but in line with everyone else is getting quoted now, so we are going ahead with Gavin. Hopefully it gets installed before the heat wave!

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    Post back with your lead times for getting units and whatnot. Might need one this summer.

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    I’ve been waiting 1-2 months already and will hopefully install in May.

    Bought 2 tempstars with Gavin
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    Anyone on here have opinions on high velocity furnaces?
    http://www.bowsertech.com/Bill60/Pre...itAug31-15.pdf

    From my experience they don't live up to their stated capacity. Somehow in the high velocity world, time is not considered a component of tonnage and forward inclined fans are high static.
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    Post back with your lead times for getting units and whatnot. Might need one this summer.
    Good luck.

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    If anyone "needs one this summer" they should be ordering now, like this week. If you wait until June, well, just don't.
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    If anyone "needs one this summer" they should be ordering now, like this week. If you wait until June, well, just don't.
    My co-worker all got it done last month. Order to install are under a week.

    Anyone looked at heat pumps instead of AC that can both cool and warms? Or is this just as bad idea as HE furnace or solar panels?

    Sounds good on principle. Keeping old furnace for cold days/failsafe and heat pump to warm home from -10-20c and chill it 20c+

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    Someone smarter than me will need to figure out of the electricty to runa heat pump is cheaper than the natural gas to run a mid-efficient furnace. My gut feel says no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    Someone smarter than me will need to figure out of the electricty to runa heat pump is cheaper than the natural gas to run a mid-efficient furnace. My gut feel says no.
    You are right. Sounds like NG + carbon tax need to hit around $40/GJ to break even. Boo. Stupid greenwash media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrema View Post
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    My co-worker all got it done last month. Order to install are under a week.

    Anyone looked at heat pumps instead of AC that can both cool and warms? Or is this just as bad idea as HE furnace or solar panels?

    Sounds good on principle. Keeping old furnace for cold days/failsafe and heat pump to warm home from -10-20c and chill it 20c+
    Heat pumps are good for AC, they're more efficient than a central AC unit. Mini splits can be ~25 SEER vs central is ~10-14 SEER. Seer being cooling btu per watt electricity. They also benefit because you can cool one room and not the others (So if you just want you main room cool during the day and then the bedroom cools before bed kind of thing). It can also be handy to warm one room on slightly chilly days, i.e. furnance shuts off at night and just the mini split warms your bedroom while you sleep in the fall. The downside is once you start installing multi-zone mini split in a bunch of rooms you quickly end up more expensive than central air.

    However even as efficient as they are, they'll still cost 2-3 times as much for heating because natural gas is cheap here.

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    And Electricity is going to 3x or 5x in the next few years. Natural gas will only go to 2x in Alberta (my prediction only, not financial advice)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    And Electricity is going to 3x or 5x in the next few years. Natural gas will only go to 2x in Alberta (my prediction only, not financial advice)
    One can see why the ductless splits were developed. The time is coming here where running a whole home a/c will just be too much of an expense, and you'll just want to condition the room you are spending time in. I have a central a/c but I am putting a 12k ductless split in my master bedroom, and a dual head 12k split in my kids rooms. There isn't much sense in trying to cool all the square footage of the house at night, when just the 3 rooms need to be cooled.

    I wonder if gas will get to the price where we spot heat with portable heaters like the Japanese do. My inlaws in Japan keep their house around 10c in winter, and then heat the eating area with a kerosene spot heater while eating, most of the houses there are empty during the day so they don't bother heating the house centrally at all.
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    Factoring in generation losses for the electricity, a heat pump is 2.5 times more efficient using electricity generated by natural gas vs a natural gas furnace.

    Seems like its the future to me, but the reality is that the infrastructure changeover required to make this happen, plus the already taxed system needing to deal with electric vehicles, makes me think natural gas heating generated directly in the home is hear to stay for a while.
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    Just completely ignoring the whole arctic wasteland thats too cold for a heat pump when you need it the most.

    Sounds like a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Seems like its the future to me, but the reality is that the infrastructure changeover required to make this happen, plus the already taxed system needing to deal with electric vehicles, makes me think natural gas heating generated directly in the home is hear to stay for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zechs View Post
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    Factoring in generation losses for the electricity, a heat pump is 2.5 times more efficient using electricity generated by natural gas vs a natural gas furnace.

    Seems like its the future to me, but the reality is that the infrastructure changeover required to make this happen, plus the already taxed system needing to deal with electric vehicles, makes me think natural gas heating generated directly in the home is hear to stay for a while.
    Nobody gives a flying fuck about efficiency. It's what's cheapest. Electricity is going to completely

    Its baked into The Plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxt View Post
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    One can see why the ductless splits were developed. The time is coming here where running a whole home a/c will just be too much of an expense, and you'll just want to condition the room you are spending time in. I have a central a/c but I am putting a 12k ductless split in my master bedroom, and a dual head 12k split in my kids rooms. There isn't much sense in trying to cool all the square footage of the house at night, when just the 3 rooms need to be cooled.

    I wonder if gas will get to the price where we spot heat with portable heaters like the Japanese do. My inlaws in Japan keep their house around 10c in winter, and then heat the eating area with a kerosene spot heater while eating, most of the houses there are empty during the day so they don't bother heating the house centrally at all.
    Carbon tax adds a lot to natural gas. 52.5 cents per GJ is added for every 10$/tonne of carbon tax. At the current plan of 170$/tonne in 2030 that would add 8.92$ per GJ in just taxes on top of whatever gas costs then. Looking at my last bill that would take my Natural gas bill from 178$ to ~290$ per month. Ouch.

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    Is there any AC brands I should stay away from? Or all the same? Got a few quote appointments next week. So far the companies coming on their websites, I see Carrier, Goodman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj_rice View Post
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    Is there any AC brands I should stay away from? Or all the same? Got a few quote appointments next week. So far the companies coming on their websites, I see Carrier, Goodman.
    For the most part they all use the same core components. There is difference in noise with fan design and speeds.
    I'll say one thing though, the Trane Spiral fin condenser is really tough to clean when it comes to the tree fluff that some neighbourhoods get early summer. No condenser is as tough to get the tree fluff out of as that condenser design, lots of chemical and washing if it gets out of hand. It's like the perfect trap for that stuff.
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