Official Genesis thread. WAS:2019 Hyundai G70

[dirtsniffer]

It's not a Hyundai right.

[mzdspd]

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52K to start for the 3.3TT Dynamic and 57.5K for the 3.3TT Sport. With freight/pdi/tax that's 60K I no longer see the value in this thing at that price point. It's direct competitor (on paper) the Initini red sport starts at 52.6K.

So essentially its cheaper than the worst car in its class? Doesn't sound like such a bad deal.

The prototype tests seem to show that this car will be pretty amazing. But brand snobs won't take a glance at it.

[npham]

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So essentially its cheaper than the worst car in its class? Doesn't sound like such a bad deal.

The prototype tests seem to show that this car will be pretty amazing. But brand snobs won't take a glance at it.

It's just not brand snobs, it's people that care about resale. I'm sure it's a fine car to drive, but give it one year and it will be half off on the secondary market.

[gpomp]

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52K to start for the 3.3TT Dynamic and 57.5K for the 3.3TT Sport. With freight/pdi/tax that's 60K I no longer see the value in this thing at that price point. It's direct competitor (on paper) the Initini red sport starts at 52.6K.

How much would maintenance cost you on the Q50 over a 5 year period though? On the Hyundai, it would be $0...

[EnRichii]

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I had no idea you could get a Red Sport for just over 50K if that's the case then yah this thing needs to be in the 40's at most.

Looking at Auotrader right now. I'm sure I could get a loaded red sport AWD from Infinity for high 40s for sure. Pretty good deal I think. I'm not feeling this G70. The Infinity looks waaaay better inside and out. Plus its Hyundai.... I mean.

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http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/infiniti...200N7&sprx=100
That one I'm sure you can get for 44 - 45k, its brand new and a 2018

[vengie]

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Looking at Auotrader right now. I'm sure I could get a loaded red sport AWD from Infinity for high 40s for sure. Pretty good deal I think. I'm not feeling this G70. The Infinity looks waaaay better inside and out. Plus its Hyundai.... I mean.

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http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/infiniti...200N7&sprx=100
That one I'm sure you can get for 44 - 45k, its brand new and a 2018

But is it fully loaded?

[zhao]

Not everyone cares about options. My 335 is loaded -minus radar, and I could do without the birds eye cameras, backup camera, cross traffic cameras, million sensors, 40 seat positions, retarded trunk foot access sensor, auto braking cruise (I hate that shit), dual climate, navi, heat wheel, sunroof, garage remote, etc. I got one with all that crap only cuz it already had it for a good price

Nor do I want all the stupid modes and stability control and traction control that is standard

Options I care about: engine, suspension, real leather over fake, trim. Stuff that makes the car driver better or feel better or look better.

[Aleks]

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It's just not brand snobs, it's people that care about resale. I'm sure it's a fine car to drive, but give it one year and it will be half off on the secondary market.

While I agree Hyundai aren't resale value champs, do other brands do any better in this segment? Here is a car that was over $50k new, 1 year old selling at a dealer for mid 30s.

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/bmw/3%20...1124134452706/

A fully equipped 340 can push $75-80 grand today

[Xtrema]

If top model can be leased for $600/mth for 48 months, it is competitive.

Any more than that, smart money will still go to Germans.

[mzdspd]

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It's just not brand snobs, it's people that care about resale. I'm sure it's a fine car to drive, but give it one year and it will be half off on the secondary market.

Right. Find me another luxury brand that hasn't lost 50-60% of its MSRP value in 4 years. They all do..

[94boosted]

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How much would maintenance cost you on the Q50 over a 5 year period though? On the Hyundai, it would be $0...

Good call, with maintenance included that's a nice bit of savings.

[Aleks]

Genesis also includes all fees in their prices too. So Freight/PDI is already included.

[riander5]

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Haven't we already been down this path before with Hyundai
Dear Hyundai,

Fuck off already with copy-cat German cars

Sincerely
-SP



I wouldn't consider a Hyundai over an Acura personally.... maybe over an Infinity or a Lexus, but it would have to be at least half price to even bother cross shopping one

Dont you drive a ford? Lets see some comparable pictures of early 2000 fords... or their new copycat ranger rover explorer. If you can look past your bias these cars actually look decent

[Seth1968]

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If you can look past your bias these cars actually look decent

Ya, the bias in this thread is laughable.

Truth is, the South Korean's are making very good vehicles with exceptional value for the money.

[Kloubek]

The real problem with the Genesis sedans is that they are meant to try to compete with the German luxury market. The problem with this is multiple, but I think the two big ones are:
1) While far improved over the old Hyundai, they still tend to not quite be on par with German engineering... both from a physical design/materials standpoint as well as mechanical/driving one.
2) People who are willing to drop 50k on a car are often not THAT concerned about saving 5k, and/or are spending the extra not just for the car itself but for the status. What kind of person wants to say "I'm not QUITE successful"? Hyundai was right to badge it with just Genesis instead of their own logo, but at the end of the day anyone remotely understanding of the market still views it as a Hyundai. Those who don't generally don't care either way.

So really, I'm not sure what market this is meant to cater to. It doesn't cater to the people who expect the very best driving car in the segment. (Though Hyundai is improving). It doesn't cater to the people who want the most luxurious. (Though Hyundai is improving). It doesn't cater to the brand snobs. I guess it caters to someone who doesn't care about brand cache, doesn't care that their car isn't the best in any way, and is willing to pay just a bit less than the competition that DOES tick all the boxes. Pretty narrow market if you ask me.

[schocker]

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While I agree Hyundai aren't resale value champs, do other brands do any better in this segment? Here is a car that was over $50k new, 1 year old selling at a dealer for mid 30s.

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/bmw/3%20...1124134452706/

A fully equipped 340 can push $75-80 grand today

That car was a rental though, so not quite apples to apples.

[FraserB]

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Dont you drive a ford? Lets see some comparable pictures of early 2000 fords... or their new copycat ranger rover explorer. If you can look past your bias these cars actually look decent

I think he drives a Q5

[npham]

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Right. Find me another luxury brand that hasn't lost 50-60% of its MSRP value in 4 years. They all do..

I said in 1 year. Not in 4.

[mzdspd]

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I said in 1 year. Not in 4.

Can you find any examples of hyundais that have lost half in 1 year? I sure can't.

[blownz]

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So really, I'm not sure what market this is meant to cater to. It doesn't cater to the people who expect the very best driving car in the segment. (Though Hyundai is improving). It doesn't cater to the people who want the most luxurious. (Though Hyundai is improving). It doesn't cater to the brand snobs. I guess it caters to someone who doesn't care about brand cache, doesn't care that their car isn't the best in any way, and is willing to pay just a bit less than the competition that DOES tick all the boxes. Pretty narrow market if you ask me.

I think there is a middle ground though. Sure they are "aiming" for the Germans, but with the loaded comparable Germans costing mid 70's and this is mid 50's it is around $20K cheaper. That is a huge amount. It may not be as good as the best in the class (C43, S5, 340) but based on early impressions, it sounds like it is ~90% there at ~70% of the price. And it seems way better than cars like the Acura TLX, Volvo S60, Infiniti Q50 which it is priced closer to.

I think the savings is enough that it almost is in a different class from the Germans. And all though it may seem like it on a site like this, not everyone is a brand snob and cares about the badge on their car.

I am personally surprised that the loaded G70 is about $5K more than a loaded Stinger GT. I thought they would be priced closer. I am interested in looking closer at both of them as imo they are two of the most interesting new cars on the market right now.