Official Genesis thread. WAS:2019 Hyundai G70

[Xtrema]

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How'd you find that? Car Cost Canada?

CBB list the car trade in worth at $41-$43K. I just add $2K on top since it's pretty new, and I assume will have full factory warranty still. It may worth upper 40s like Enrich said if someone really wants one.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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CBB list the car trade in worth at $41-$43K. I just add $2K on top since it's pretty new, and I assume will have full factory warranty still. It may worth upper 40s like Enrich said if someone really wants one.

Yup, that thing is still overpriced by $10-15K. Down to around 47-50% of it's original value after ~2.5-3 years, yikes.

[blownz]

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In 2017 a G80's MSRP was $65,000 without options or packages. By the time you add in taxes, fees and maybe an option you'd be looking around $75,000 new. Here's a listing for $43000 - 2017 G80

Sure the math isn't quite 50% but isn't it close enough for you to want to stay away?

You are off quite a bit as that is a base V6 G80, not the V8 Ultimate you quoted MSRP. So MSRP was $55K and Genesis includes everything but tire and ac tax in that so only really GST to add when paying full MSRP so about $58K OTD. That used price is actually $43,888 plus gst which would be about $46K all in. So that is losing about 20% in a year which isn't great, but isn't horrible either and no where close to the 50% you are talking about. Plus you are looking in Quebec and all of the cars depreciate worse out east. If you aren't you should be a politician, they need to be really good manipulating numbers to make them correct.

I agree resale will likely be worse than average for the G70 and Stinger but remember Japanese cars back in the day? The used to have bad resale as well. I remember my parents bought a 2 year old Civic in the 80's for 50% off original price. Similar depreciation to a Ford Escort at the time. Public perception takes a while to change. Even if this vehicle was 100% better than anything else on the market and was more reliable people would still make an excuse not to buy it.

I personally think if you are in the market and don't at least try one out you are crazy.

[94boosted]

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CBB list the car trade in worth at $41-$43K. I just add $2K on top since it's pretty new, and I assume will have full factory warranty still. It may worth upper 40s like Enrich said if someone really wants one.

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Yup, that thing is still overpriced by $10-15K. Down to around 47-50% of it's original value after ~2.5-3 years, yikes.

Lol I don't think that's ever going to happen. I talked to them. Yes it's new, warranty hasn't kicked in yet, they're willing to come down 2-3K at the most. Loyalty discount and preferred pricing don't apply. I said I'd take it today for 50K+Tax and they weren't interested in the least.

[Xtrema]

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Lol I don't think that's ever going to happen. I talked to them. Yes it's new, warranty hasn't kicked in yet, they're willing to come down 2-3K at the most. Loyalty discount and preferred pricing don't apply. I said I'd take it today for 50K+Tax and they weren't interested in the least.

Well now you know why it's been stuck there for 3 years.

[EnRichii]

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Lol I don't think that's ever going to happen. I talked to them. Yes it's new, warranty hasn't kicked in yet, they're willing to come down 2-3K at the most. Loyalty discount and preferred pricing don't apply. I said I'd take it today for 50K+Tax and they weren't interested in the least.

50 + tax is actually a fair deal for that I think on both sides. I'd look at that if the car was a manual. you figure out whats gonna replace your vette yet?

[Mitsu3000gt]

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Lol I don't think that's ever going to happen. I talked to them. Yes it's new, warranty hasn't kicked in yet, they're willing to come down 2-3K at the most. Loyalty discount and preferred pricing don't apply. I said I'd take it today for 50K+Tax and they weren't interested in the least.

So it's been sitting there for 3 years because it's a good deal? I don't think so. It's still far overpriced and that's why they can't move it. Now that it's 3 years old, you have also lost a lot of potential buyers. They probably refused to sell it for what its worth every time they got an offer and that's why they still have it. You offered them more than it's worth, or maybe close to what it's worth, and they refused. So now they will sit on it for another while until it's 4 years old.

Good cars at fair prices don't sit on lots, this one is neither, so they won't move it until they get real with the price. Why else is has it been sitting there for so long even at a heavy MSRP discount?

I'm guessing the fact that it's an automatic also isn't helping, but for the usual Cadillac demographic it may not be as much of an issue.

[94boosted]

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50 + tax is actually a fair deal for that I think on both sides. I'd look at that if the car was a manual. you figure out whats gonna replace your vette yet?

Yah I picked something up V8 RWD, nothing crazy, price was right, classes very nicely for autocross.

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So it's been sitting there for 3 years because it's a good deal? I don't think so. It's still far overpriced and that's why they can't move it. Now that it's 3 years old, you have also lost a lot of potential buyers. They probably refused to sell it for what its worth every time they got an offer and that's why they still have it. You offered them more than it's worth, or maybe close to what it's worth, and they refused. So now they will sit on it for another while until it's 4 years old.

Good cars at fair prices don't sit on lots, this one is neither, so they won't move it until they get real with the price. Why else is has it been sitting there for so long even at a heavy MSRP discount?

I'm guessing the fact that it's an automatic also isn't helping, but for the usual Cadillac demographic it may not be as much of an issue.

Well this being a 16' if they got it towards the end of when 16's were getting shipped to dealers (April/May ish) there's a chance it's been sitting for less than two years. I would also think that Red + auto + No Recaros makes it less desirable (definitely isn't the way I'd spec one if I was doing a factory order).

I think my offer of 50+tax was fair, them not accepting it is obviously them being optimistic that with spring coming (hopefully) they can sell it closer to their current ask. Hopefully I get a call back in a month or two

All I'm arguing is that it's not worth 45K or less, what CBB says for a fairly low volume car can't be taken as gospel. I think current asking prices across Canada are a better indicator and if you factor in mileage even at it's current price it seems fairly reasonable.

[EnRichii]

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So it's been sitting there for 3 years because it's a good deal? I don't think so. It's still far overpriced and that's why they can't move it. Now that it's 3 years old, you have also lost a lot of potential buyers. They probably refused to sell it for what its worth every time they got an offer and that's why they still have it. You offered them more than it's worth, or maybe close to what it's worth, and they refused. So now they will sit on it for another while until it's 4 years old.

Good cars at fair prices don't sit on lots, this one is neither, so they won't move it until they get real with the price. Why else is has it been sitting there for so long even at a heavy MSRP discount?

I'm guessing the fact that it's an automatic also isn't helping, but for the usual Cadillac demographic it may not be as much of an issue.

Well said!

[Sugarphreak]

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[Disoblige]

Man, I can't get over how ugly that speedometer is on the ATS-V. Couldn't they have come up with something sportier looking...

[Xtrema]

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Man, I can't get over how ugly that speedometer is on the ATS-V. Couldn't they have come up with something sportier looking...

CTS-V had LCD dash for years. In the time that VW released their virtual cockpit on TT 2 years ago, it's now already being used in low end products like $25K Jetta. And GM still won't put their LCD dash on ATS-V.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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Man, I can't get over how ugly that speedometer is on the ATS-V. Couldn't they have come up with something sportier looking...

It's just one of the reasons why the car is so overpriced. Cadillac uses the same formulas year after year and wonder why they can't move cars without enormous incentives. They cut every possible corner, inside and out. I would bet the profit margin on a full MSRP Cadillac is in the top few percentile of all manufacturers. Those half-guages are hideous, and on a $85-90K car that dash is an embarassment. They look like something off of a 1985 pickup truck:



This 1997 Pontiac Grand AM dash looks about as good:



Most of the $20-25K econoboxes nowadays have much nicer, full featured LCD dashes.

[94boosted]

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It's just one of the reasons why the car is so overpriced. Cadillac uses the same formulas year after year and wonder why they can't move cars without enormous incentives. They cut every possible corner, inside and out. I would bet the profit margin on a full MSRP Cadillac is in the top few percentile of all manufacturers. Those half-guages are hideous, and on a $85-90K car that dash is an embarassment. They look like something off of a 1985 pickup truck:


This 1997 Pontiac Grand AM dash looks about as good:



Most of the $20-25K econoboxes nowadays have much nicer, full featured LCD dashes.

Agreed, gauges are s**t and so is Cue and the Piano Black Trim. But personally that's not how I judge the merits of a performance sedan, it accelerates quicker, stops shorter and grips better than it's competition all for a fair bit less dineros.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/merce...-s-comparison/

Anyways no more thread derailment. I have a test drive of a G70 3.3T Dynamic booked at my house on April 21st, excited to try this car.

[EnRichii]

? they bring it out to you, i`ll come!

[blownz]

So I actually drove the G70 Sport with the 3.3L last night.

I happened to be driving by a Hyundai dealership and was wondering to myself if this dealer would be selling them or when they would be in and I saw one out front. Pulled in and took a look.

Turns out they won't be selling them in any of the Hyundai dealerships in Edmonton (The salesperson just happened to have stopped by) but instead they will be opening up "boutique stores" in malls. First one in Edmonton will be at the Airport outlet mall opening in 2 weeks. The cars just started arriving and they have 19 so far in Edmonton and 14 will be delivered to customers by next week. For test drives they will be dropping a car off with you for 1/2 to a full day (full day will be the norm once they have enough demos in a month or so).

Onto the car... I didn't have a lot of time as I was actually heading to pick up my kid from Taekwondo but I did have time for a drive. Now I haven't driven anything else similar in at least a year, so I can't make direct comparisons, but in general I was really impressed with the handling. Steering felt really direct and the car is a nice size and feels great going around turns. Now when I went out last night it was about 3 degrees and the roads were pretty wet so I wasn't exactly able to go really fast around corners but it did feel good. The ride is a little on the stiff side, and the difference form comfort to sport seemed to be minimal. But then again the roads are really bad right now too. That engine is awesome though. It has lots of power and lag was hardly noticeable. Interior was really nice and material quality was better than I expected (first Genesis wasn't that good imo). The leather in particular felt nice and the seats were really comfortable.

Nice unexpected pluses:
1. When you put the car in sport mode, the side bolsters tighten up around you and when you go back into comfort they loosen up again. Now this seemed cool, but may actually annoy in real life, hard to tell.
2. Launch control! I wasn't expecting it to be in the car and then she asked if I wanted to try it. Really easy, just hold the traction button until it says everything is off, and then left foot on brake, floor it and the dash says "launch control active" and so you let go of the brake. Really easy and damn is the car impressive in a straight line!
3. Heads up display was really nice. Had more info on it than my 5 series did.
4. Lane keeping was better than expected. I just tried it for a bit on the Whitemud and I went a minute or so with just a finger barely touching the wheel and no comments to put my hands on. The Fusion I am driving right now asks for my hands even when they are on the wheel sometimes. lol

Where they cheaped out:
1. IP is nothing impressive, it looks okay, but not high tech or anything. Going through menus using the steering wheel controls seemed slow and not that easy to use.
2. GPS screen. It may be 8", but it seems small and the graphics are nothing impressive. The GPS maps are less impressive than the one in my 2011 535. I think they could have done better.
3. Door handles - sensors to unlock and lock are only on the front doors and to lock it is a button an not a heat sensitive spot. Even a Ford Fusion has had full sensors on all 4 doors since 2013. This is simply them cutting costs and I didn't like it. When I walk up to the car with my kids I typically open a rear door first so this would be irritating.

Other negatives that are more minor, are the rear seat is tight. Reminds me of the IS which is way tighter than a 3 series. Trunk is also tiny. I actually think I would have to try putting my golf clubs in because it looks like they might not fit. And more than one set looks to be near impossible.

Overall though I came away impressed. Much nicer than I expected and I like the 5 years of full warranty and service included and that they will pick up and drop off the car at your work or home and leave you a loaner even just for a simple oil change. You also get 5 years of free map updates which is pretty much none existent in the market.

As for pricing I was told they don't negotiate which kind of bothers me as I think the price is a bit high. $57,500 is the price and all you pay over that is about $127 for tire and ac tax and amvic. If you put $1000 down before April 15 you get either 1.9% lease or finance or $1000 off the cash price.

I definitely need to get out and try a few other cars, but looking forward to new car shopping and this car is definitely on my list to consider.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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Agreed, gauges are s**t and so is Cue and the Piano Black Trim. But personally that's not how I judge the merits of a performance sedan, it accelerates quicker, stops shorter and grips better than it's competition all for a fair bit less dineros.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/merce...-s-comparison/

Anyways no more thread derailment. I have a test drive of a G70 3.3T Dynamic booked at my house on April 21st, excited to try this car.

If performance is the only thing you care about though, you can spend a whole heck of a lot less money than anything on that list and get similar performance figures. It isn't hard to make a car go fast, everyone does that already at many different price levels. The problem is Cadillac prices cheaply built cars as if they have the whole package, and we all know how well that is working for them with heavily discounted models not moving after 2-3 years.

Anyways it's nice to hear the G70 is probably as good as all the reviews have been saying it is so far. That whole "zero negotiation" BS isn't going to help them attract customers though, especially with an unconventional sales experience.

[Neil4Speed]

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It's just one of the reasons why the car is so overpriced. Cadillac uses the same formulas year after year and wonder why they can't move cars without enormous incentives. They cut every possible corner, inside and out. I would bet the profit margin on a full MSRP Cadillac is in the top few percentile of all manufacturers. Those half-guages are hideous, and on a $85-90K car that dash is an embarassment. They look like something off of a 1985 pickup truck:

Totally agreed, I couldn't get over this either. I think one of my biggest frustrations is when a car gets so many things right but just fails so hard on things that should be easy.,

[civic_stylez]

Great review Blownz!

[mzdspd]

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So I actually drove the G70 Sport with the 3.3L last night.

Wait.. So you drove a G70.. I thought they were not released until July of this year?? Are you sure that it wasn't a G80 Sport?