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    Lambo enters "Hyper Car" market using super-capacitors rather than big voltage motors.
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    The 2021 Lamborghini Sián Roadster ups the hybrid game with supercapacitors
    BY DAVID BOOTH
    ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: JUL 8, 2020

    The 2021 Lamborghini Sian Roadster
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    Porsche had the 918; McLaren, the P1; and Ferrari the LaFerrari. Now Lamborghini finally has a hybrid hypercar in its lineup. But, befitting the distinctive route Santa’Agata Bolognese often takes to high performance, the Sián Roadster is an electrified supercar like no other.

    No surprise, the Sián starts with Lambo’s tradermark V12, this one producing a healthy 785 horses at a screaming 8,500 rpm. Still somewhat traditional is that it incorporates a 34-horsepower electric motor in its gearbox. It’s a 48-volt system, more of a “mild” hybrid than the powerful high-voltage item seen in many hybrids.


    Well, that doesn’t sound like Lamborghini at all now does it? There’s nothing “mild” about the Countach, Rambo Lambo or anything else the Italian company has designed since its origins in 1963. Well, as you might suspect, there is something radically different about the Sián’s take on electrification.

    Rather than going for max power, our Italian friends went for minimum weight. Instead of a lithium-ion battery, the Sián uses a supercapacitor, storing its electrical energy in an electric field rather than chemically.


    Why the big deal about supercapacitors? Well, for one, they can dump their energy even more quickly than a battery, promising even more immediate throttle response. Another advantage, say the Sián’s engineers is that, unlike a lithium-ion battery – which has a limit to how quickly it can be recharged – the supercapacitor can be charged and discharged at the same rate. That means the capacitor is recharged 100 per cent every time the Sián brakes.


    More importantly, capacitors are extremely lightweight, Lamborghini claiming its supercapacitor – so small its located in the bulkhead between the engine and the cabin – and electric motor together weigh only 34 kilograms. That means – and Lamborghini’s press bumf makes a huge deal of this – the Sián’s e-motor puts out one hp per kg. I am not sure how remarkable that really is, but the point is not lost.

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    For now, Lamborghini is not yet telling us how much torque the e-motor adds to the equation. Thirty-four horses hardly seems worth the trouble, but such systems usually add 100 or more foot-pounds of torque, which should pump up the bottom end. Indeed, the e-motor only works up to speeds of 130 kilometres an hour, so we suspect the low-end torque improvement far outweighs those paltry 34 horses.

    Essentially, the e-motor is working like a small electric supercharger, adding grunt until the revvy V12 hits is stride. Whatever the case, the Sián is no slouch, the total of 819 hp good enough for 2.9-second zero-to-100-km/h acceleration and a top speed of more than 350 km/h. No word on any fuel economy improvement.

    There’s no use complaining how much the new Sián costs – 2,510,000 Euros or about CDN$3.8 million – because, trust me, your plaints will fall on deaf ears. Lamborghini says it is only building 19 of the hyper hybrid Roadsters and, according to the company’s official missive, “all are already sold.” Incredible as it may be, it would seem Lamborghinis, no matter how much they cost, sell out as quickly as they accelerate.

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    I'll wait for the Super Sián

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    I'll wait for the Super Sián
    Not sure what you are Sián. Goku be more clear?
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    Purchasing this car right away would be inSián.

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    Batmobile's pretty cool but so is this Lambo.

    Just Sián.

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    So turning off the AC will feel like the hybrid motor Sián as it’s only 34 fucking horsepower.
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    It'sonata good car!

    #Nailed-it

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    Have none of these hit the road, yet? Just briefly searched YouTube and it's all fucking Lego and cartoon shit with no track specs...
    With so little weight and still incredible power supplemented by their capacitors powering the electric, I think this thing may crush the 918 and LaFerrari. Am I LaCrazy?

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    "Well, what the fuck are we going to do with THAT" - Mansory

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Have none of these hit the road, yet? Just briefly searched YouTube and it's all fucking Lego and cartoon shit with no track specs...
    With so little weight and still incredible power supplemented by their capacitors powering the electric, I think this thing may crush the 918 and LaFerrari. Am I LaCrazy?
    There are only 19 being produced, and 90% of these will barely see the light of day..........don't expect much YouTube content aside from "spotted" videos. and maybe eventually someone like a Shmee getting a ride along. Would be great to see a Clarkson review, though.

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    Lambos most relevant model right now is the Urus. Which is fucking depressing.

    Aventador is from the stone age. Huracan is going to be ancient by the time it gets replaced (if it ever does).

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    The good news about the Sian is it is a very likely indication of the styling for the Aventador replacement, just as the Reventon was a good indication of the styling for the Murci replacement... Hopefully, the end is nigh for the Aventador.

    VWAG has to get off their wallets if they want Lambo to be a serious consideration for buyers and a legitimately viable alternative to Ferrari, rather than just a short term novelty or bling-machine for rappers and wannabes alike. In the time since the Huracan has been out, Ferrari has had 3 models and might be on their forth by the time Lambo gets the Huracan replacement to market...

    IMO, the Urus is rendered redundant by the Audi RSQ8... 100% of the performance & 90% of the looks at 50% of the price...

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    Quote Originally Posted by you&me View Post
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    IMO, the Urus is rendered redundant by the Audi RSQ8... 100% of the performance & 90% of the looks at 50% of the price...
    Didn’t know this was a thing. Googled it. Threw up in my mouth a bit. Thanks for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killramos View Post
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    Didn’t know this was a thing. Googled it. Threw up in my mouth a bit. Thanks for that.
    You're crazy and the RSQ8 is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by you&me View Post
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    You're crazy and the RSQ8 is awesome.
    I thought the same thing about RSQ8 killing the Urus while it was half way in the door. Dumb move.
    Still... I've only seen one RSQ8 and about 5 Urusses, thus far.

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    Urusses have been out for 2 years; RSQ8s about 2 weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by you&me View Post
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    You're crazy and the RSQ8 is awesome.
    Looks to me like someone glued a bunch of plastic bits from Canadian tire to their moms SUV. But to each their own.
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    I don't mind the RSQ8. It's better than the Urus, although that isn't saying much. The Urus looks like ass.

    The entire VAG badge engineering schtick is getting really old to me. I mean, the RSQ8 is essentially built on a shared platform with the fucking Golf at this point. But having 8 different version of their midsize SUV platform is so 90's GM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by you&me View Post
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    Urusses have been out for 2 years; RSQ8s about 2 weeks...
    Geez, are you sure? I'm certain I saw one exactly a year ago. Could there have been early demos out?
    I wonder if someone glued a different badge on a Q8 and fooled me? It was near Seton hospital and I think it may have literally been exactly 365 days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    I don't mind the RSQ8. It's better than the Urus, although that isn't saying much. The Urus looks like ass.

    The entire VAG badge engineering schtick is getting really old to me. I mean, the RSQ8 is essentially built on a shared platform with the fucking Golf at this point. But having 8 different version of their midsize SUV platform is so 90's GM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePenIsMightier View Post
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    Geez, are you sure? I'm certain I saw one exactly a year ago. Could there have been early demos out?
    I wonder if someone glued a different badge on a Q8 and fooled me? It was near Seton hospital and I think it may have literally been exactly 365 days ago.
    People love glueing M, AMG, and RS badges on all the things. Bit odd for a family SUV but kids will be kids.
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