Why no veggies and fruit?

[ExtraSlow]

So little fruit is grown here that it's easy and reasonable to have less of it in your diet compared to places with milder weather. importing blackberries from south america is kind of insane.

[vengie]

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Vegetarian for 5 months, vegan for 2 weeks ... Will get back into bodybuilding in the spring as a vegan, you absolutely do not need meat to do it. We have the technology to extract vitamin B12 from things like grass now, iron and protein will come from stuff like oatmeal, spinach, tofu, nuts, the list goes on. There is a growing body of evidence that meat of any kind along with dairy products do more harm than good.

Q: How do you know if someone in the room is Vegan/ Vegetarian?


A: Don't worry, they will make it their mission to tell you.

[firebane]

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I couldn't live without oranges, avocados, bananas, carrots, potatoes, grapes, peppers and so forth. I can't recall a recent day where I haven't had at least 2-3 of them.

I think this is an AB thing. Or maybe a Calgary thing. Back home (Vancouver Island - Lotus Land) we used to go to the farmer's market at least twice a week.

Fresh fruit and veggies in BC is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrr cheaper than here.

Richmond market off Stevenston would have crazy prices and make it easy to buy fresh.

[NissanFanBoy]

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Vitamin B12?

(Not knocking your dietary choices, just wondering where you get B12 when there are no natural, plant-based sources)

It is found in plant based sources, it's rare, but thanks to technology, it can be extracted and taken in pill form or fortified in foods like cereal.

Also, foods like tempeh and kimchi have it. It's formed by bacteria.

It's also a myth about how much we actually need in our diets just like protein...I remember in my 20s getting huge was all the rage and it was all about protein protein protein!!!!!!!!!!! So I'm quite familiar about how much protein our bodies actually need.

[NissanFanBoy]

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Q: How do you know if someone in the room is Vegan/ Vegetarian?


A: Don't worry, they will make it their mission to tell you.

Lol trust me I'm not one of those in real life.. But yes, I know the kind you're referring to and they are pretty damn annoying. And looking back I don't even know why I thought that was relevant to post, must have been super bored.

[MalibuStacy]

To some extent taste has some part to play, hell great example: I hate avocado, but my sister loves them. We both were brought up with lots of fresh F&V but there will always be some thing you just don't like due to taste preferences.

I don't really agree with the price argument. I have been living on my own for a number of years now and one of my biggest issues when I moved was whether I could continue to eat fresh F&V. Honestly when I looked at the base price/quantity, the price wasn't really different. The biggest part is the convenience! It is easy to open a bag of chips which requires no washing or cutting...

[J-hop]

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It is found in plant based sources, it's rare, but thanks to technology, it can be extracted and taken in pill form or fortified in foods like cereal.

Also, foods like tempeh and kimchi have it. It's formed by bacteria.

It's also a myth about how much we actually need in our diets just like protein...I remember in my 20s getting huge was all the rage and it was all about protein protein protein!!!!!!!!!!! So I'm quite familiar about how much protein our bodies actually need.

Google vegan jaundice, it’s a myth how little b12 vegans think you need in your diet.

Veganism is fine, the moral argument is sound. But the second people start trying to claim it’s better for you and quote the scientifically unsound “China study” they lose all credibility

[HiTempguy1]

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the moral argument is sound...they lose all credibility

No. All of its arguments are asinine. Do what you want, but don't think it somehow makes you somehow morally superior or some bullshit

[JRSC00LUDE]

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It is found in plant based sources, it's rare, but thanks to technology, it can be extracted and taken in pill form or fortified in foods like cereal.

You do realize that this fact completely negates the silly argument the humans were never intended to eat meat, right?

Be vegan all you want but no, you won't ultimately be healthier than a meat eater who eats a quality balanced diet. Even more so without synthetic supplementation. No amount of kool-aid funded "research" is going to change that.

[msommers]

The latest trend of vegan/vegetarian documentaries on Netflix has certainly piqued my interest but it's pretty hard to take them as scientifically sound. Some interesting topics I've been meaning to fact-check. One was how do silverbacks gorillas get so massive if they just eat plants all day. Another was they were claiming that anatomically we are more designed to eat plants than meats.

Some of their claims are very disingenuous and really give me pause to any claims they make. For example, red meat and chicken have the same amount of cholesterol. For sake of argument lets just say they are, but they fail to recognize that there are different types of cholesterol.

My GF and I have decided we'll give a vegan diet a try with B12 supplements at some point. The plan is to go in for blood work, do the vegan thing for a month, and then go in for blood work again and compare.

Overall it'll be hard. I love cheese. I love eggs. I love fish, especially salmon. I love chicken. I love steak every once in a while. And I'm allergic to lots of nuts.

Guys like this give me more skepticism than anything -- What isn't he telling us? But I'm totally open to the fact that I don't know everything and everyone is different.

https://www.gq.com/story/vegan-diet-...r-david-carter

[tirebob]

I am a tried and true lifelong meat eater, but I have quite a few vegan friends, and some are hardcore athletes, fighters, bodybuilding etc, and they are all super healthy and competitive. I think like anything, if you monitor your diet and eat what you need, you will be healthy. It doesn't matter weather you are vegan or not, but when you take a militant stand on either side of the argument you just end up looking silly.

[JRSC00LUDE]

There's tons of benefit to getting far more veggies into our diets than many of us do, especially in NA, however the claims that meat consumption "period" is bad are just utter crap.

[tirebob]

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There's tons of benefit to getting far more veggies into our diets than many of us do, especially in NA, however the claims that meat consumption "period" is bad are just utter crap.

Absolutely agree... Just like those people who say that 100% vegan diets are unhealthy "period" is utter crap. The truth is if you have a solid diet and you are being provided with the nutrients you need for the body you have and the life you live, it does not matter what source the food comes from.

I think though there is a legitimate argument that for some people, their digestion systems do not deal well with certain foods, and I do know people who had lifelong issues that no amount of medicine etc would help, but cleared up totally by moving to a vegan diet. I think that is the biggest issue... Too many people seem to think what is best for them must be best for everyone.

[89coupe]

Fact check using credible sources.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-sup...2/art-20363663

Food sources of vitamin B-12 include poultry, meat, fish and dairy products

The fact you have to use the word supplement is evidence alone that you are on the wrong path.

It’s impossible arguing to someone who ignores the facts and seeks out alternative choices as a lifestyle change.

Humans evolved from consuming shell fish and other sources of meat.

You aren’t a cow, or a bird, or an ape, you are a human.

A balanced diet consisting of fruits, vegetables, grains, & meats is the best approach to a healthy diet.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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The truth is if you have a solid diet and you are being provided with the nutrients you need for the body you have and the life you live, it does not matter what source the food comes from.

This part is the key. Science has made a healthier vegan existence possible through supplementation, great news for persons who are healthier than they were before by switching to that kind of diet.

[mazdavirgin]

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Fact check using credible sources.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-sup...2/art-20363663

Food sources of vitamin B-12 include poultry, meat, fish and dairy products

The fact you have to use the word supplement is evidence alone that you are on the wrong path.

It’s impossible arguing to someone who ignores the facts and seeks out alternative choices as a lifestyle change.

Humans evolved from consuming shell fish and other sources of meat.

You aren’t a cow, or a bird, or an ape, you are a human.

A balanced diet consisting of fruits, vegetables, grains, & meats is the best approach to a healthy diet.

To be fair you can have a vegetarian diet and be completely fine. Plenty of cultures have historically lived vegetarian diets supplemented with animal products like eggs, milk, cheese, honey, etc... You don't have to consume the animals themselves. The problem is when people go off the deep end and go vegan.

[Xtrema]

Meat/Veg+Fruit/Grain

Used to be 50/25/25, now 25/50/25 to try to stay healthy.

Those $6/$3 fast food coupons are tempting. While I can definitely feed myself for under $5/meal not counting energy and prep, those fast food deals are definitely great for people on the go or on the road a lot.

I found it really hard to eat healthy while on the road.

[taemo]

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The latest trend of vegan/vegetarian documentaries on Netflix has certainly piqued my interest but it's pretty hard to take them as scientifically sound. Some interesting topics I've been meaning to fact-check. One was how do silverbacks gorillas get so massive if they just eat plants all day. Another was they were claiming that anatomically we are more designed to eat plants than meats.

Some of their claims are very disingenuous and really give me pause to any claims they make. For example, red meat and chicken have the same amount of cholesterol. For sake of argument lets just say they are, but they fail to recognize that there are different types of cholesterol.

My GF and I have decided we'll give a vegan diet a try with B12 supplements at some point. The plan is to go in for blood work, do the vegan thing for a month, and then go in for blood work again and compare.

Overall it'll be hard. I love cheese. I love eggs. I love fish, especially salmon. I love chicken. I love steak every once in a while. And I'm allergic to lots of nuts.

Guys like this give me more skepticism than anything -- What isn't he telling us? But I'm totally open to the fact that I don't know everything and everyone is different.

https://www.gq.com/story/vegan-diet-...r-david-carter

Have a friend that is vegan and his GF vegetarian/pescatarian and got to try some of their food and they actually aren't bad.
Seitan could actually be a good meat replacement, reminds me alot of a firmer tofu when fried but why bother when I can get some pork or chicken.
Tried their home-made vegan burger too and it was really filling.

Wouldn't actually mind trying this
http://www.metronews.ca/news/calgary...gan-scene.html

In the end, I'll stay omnivore as I don't see any real benefit going vegan/vegetarian and in the belief that anything in moderation is fine.

Only time I would seriously go vegan or vegetarian is if I were against animal killing for food.

[msommers]

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I think though there is a legitimate argument that for some people, their digestion systems do not deal well with certain foods, and I do know people who had lifelong issues that no amount of medicine etc would help

Lots of people are more sensitive to certain foods than they even realize. FODmap dieting is as basic of prescription as it gets from GI specialists.

[tonytiger55]

I try to grab fruit when I can. if im honest I find it a struggle here at times. The quality is hit and miss too.
It defo a lifestyle change on how about I shop for it. When I was living back in the UK you can grab stuff from the cornershop on the way home, or pop to the store around the corner at lunch time and its dirt cheap. Here its a planned mission to the big box stores and its not cheap either.

As for the Meat vs Vegetarian discussion.
The UK Edition of Mens Health Magazine and the general consensus was that red meat is bad for you. You would always see meal plans with chicken etc.
When I read the North America edition, the view seemed the opposite. I was shocked to see recommendations of steak/red meat.

Meat is good if you can get it and in moderation.

You can be vegetarian (with milk products) and be fine. There many people in India (well.. quite a few million) that are doing ok.

What I think what is missing from the argument is quality of the meat and vegetables you are eating. They are lacking here.
Also how to eat for your age.