Shithole countries

[suntan]

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Except it isn't. So...

Otherwise we wouldn't have people from shithole countries, because the country they live in would disqualify them from having enough 'merit.'

What you understand as "immigration" consists of three programs: Becoming a permanent citizen, working in Canada and refugees.

Wanna come to Canada and live here forever? Well, you'd better have a degree or money.

Wanna work in Canada for a while? Well, work, but know that it's temporary.

Your country one of those shitholes? Apply for refugee status, but realize eventually the gov't is going to cut the cord, and you're going to have to survive on your own. And you still might get deported eventually.

In other words: Your immigration must have merit. You cannot live here just because you want to live here.

Contrast that to the USA, which has one of the most liberal immigration policies in the world. Are you from a shithole country? Your entry is virtually guaranteed. Are you from a country that has a high standard of living? Your chances of becoming a US citizen are almost nil. But hey, the USA also has a lottery program. WTF? Apply for the lottery and if you win, you get a green card! Huh?

[rage2]

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+1

I came under family sponsorship and it was pretty brutal. Not easy at all and this is with a British Education, English first language degree etc. Took soo many years to get through that process.

Others that I worked with (whilst on the work permit) came through provincial nominee program. Mostly Filipinos. That program was a very lax.

It used to be a 2-3 year process for family sponsorship, took us over a decade to get everyone here. I know it's gotten quite a bit longer since the 80's and 90's.

Filipinos typically shortcutted by using the childcare worker program, and applied for immigration as soon as they started working. Much faster than family sponsorship.

[r3ccOs]

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What you understand as "immigration" consists of three programs: Becoming a permanent citizen, working in Canada and refugees.

Wanna come to Canada and live here forever? Well, you'd better have a degree or money.

Wanna work in Canada for a while? Well, work, but know that it's temporary.

Your country one of those shitholes? Apply for refugee status, but realize eventually the gov't is going to cut the cord, and you're going to have to survive on your own. And you still might get deported eventually.

In other words: Your immigration must have merit. You cannot live here just because you want to live here.

Contrast that to the USA, which has one of the most liberal immigration policies in the world. Are you from a shithole country? Your entry is virtually guaranteed. Are you from a country that has a high standard of living? Your chances of becoming a US citizen are almost nil. But hey, the USA also has a lottery program. WTF? Apply for the lottery and if you win, you get a green card! Huh?

In principle Canada is and will continue to ensure sustainability and continuity of itself through immigration and outside of refugees it is a fairly stringent process in ensuring we get the candidates we want.

But tolerance and necessity is a interesting topic and again by so no means am I judging people by their color.

Now saying immigrants are taking our jobs is a common statement, but is not always unfounded. During this recession in Alberta, foreign workers replaced people on site and offshore through labor arbitration, technically not augmentation, for tech, finance and engineering jobs. Some EPCs bring labor from China.

Technically the Government allows this as companies aren’t augmenting or replacing labor but subscribing to a “service”.

This was happening while unemployment skyrocketed past double digits, and some brown dude with not culture or contextual awareness tries to fill big gaps

Now comes the baggage... cultural, political, social and religious preferences and reservations

Now I mean we can start about Hygiene, and how one can think that squatting on top of a toilet seat and using a bucket of water is perfectly acceptable in a western work environment...

Kidding asides (though that was a very real example) then are some aspects around business practicis, where restaurateurs and proprietors often cut corners, compromising health and safety.... or specifically choose to subvert regulatory requirements or put up "cash only" signs to avoid records for tax. I'm Chinese, and I attest to seeing this all around me growing up and I will say that there is no sense of social responsibility in my people. They only care about themselves and their family (well more about what they and their family own)

Then are some of the very divisive political and religious topics that can cause rifts between neighbors and colleagues... i.e. the conversation between a Muslim Indian and a Hindi here at work, where the conversation ended with "Well I guess it must have been convenient for your wife not needing to change her last name".

That kind of shit, can stay in the shithole country.

[suntan]

Fuckers can't even use a Nespresso machine, let alone even afford one.

[HiTempguy1]

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I have no idea or stats to show which immigration program people from "shithole" countries applied for. Referring to my earlier experience, many of my Vietnamese friends growing up were here as refugees.

Average is something like 170k people per year, but only 25k of those are refugees? Surprised me actually.

Apparently the majority of people surveyed underestimate how high immigration levels are in Canada. 170k per year since the 80's means 5mil of Canada's population has immigrated in the past 3 decades. Really surprised at those stats! We would have 0.8% population growth vs 1.2% per year over the past decade without immigration.

[suntan]

Canada's refugee policy is a lot more stringent than most other countries. Not only does your country have to belong on Canada's refugee country list, you have to prove that you were actively being repressed.

[r3ccOs]

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Fuckers can't even use a Nespresso machine, let alone even afford one.

broke because they are too busy paying for special needs for their inbred children?

[Supa Dexta]

Last fall I heard something on a radio in NS - of the 15k syrian refugees NS took in, 9k of them were now on welfare. Just what NS needs.

[Xtrema]

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Last fall I heard something on a radio in NS - of the 15k syrian refugees NS took in, 9k of them were now on welfare. Just what NS needs.

And how is it differ from normal Nova Socitians?

[Hallowed_point]

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And how is it differ from normal Nova Socitians?

He has a point..

[msommers]

2018-2019 Federal support for:

PEI will receive $4,131/capita
NFL - $1,421
Nova Scotia - $3,339/capita
NB - $3,881/capita
Quebec - $2,809
Ontario - $1,488
Alberta - $1,421
Yukon - $25,836
NWT - $29,666
Nunavut - $42,204

https://www.fin.gc.ca/fedprov/mtp-eng.asp

Despite these numbers, I'm still blown away how much money Quebec gets considering their 9.975% QST

[Supa Dexta]

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And how is it differ from normal Nova Socitians?

Exactly my point, enough of that shit already.

[kertejud2]

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Exactly my point, enough of that shit already.

Do you want immigrants buying into the culture or not?

[rvd]

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Do you want immigrants buying into the culture or not?

Well played lol.

[Hallowed_point]

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Do you want immigrants buying into the culture or not?

here's a donair habib, a pack of smokes, an XL timmies double double and a montreal canadiens jersey.
An East Coast lifestyle hoodie, a dodge ram and you're all set! Welcome to Eastern Canada.

[killramos]

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An Value Village sweater, a shitty Volkswagen and you're all set! Welcome to Eastern Canada.

FTFY, you are thinking of Fort Mac Nova Scotians.

[Hallowed_point]

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FTFY, you are thinking of Fort Mac Nova Scotians.

Lol I like your edit! Worked with one guy where every second word out of his mouth seemed to be Montreal Canadiens, timmies, habs as well as planning on how to get compo or workers comp. Ironically, he HATED the TPB.

[Supa Dexta]

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Do you want immigrants ...

Let me stop you right there... No..

lol