Notley threatening sanctions on BC for inhibiting Kinder expansion.

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It must be hard to swallow for all these people that really really wanted the NDP to get in... your dream finally came true, anti-oil economy ruining idiots in power in the two most powerful western provinces. But it turns out that once they got in, now all these people still aren't satisfied. Which NDP is more evil than the next? lol

Really all this does is finally prove my underlying point I've always argued. People that support the NDP will never be happy, even if they get in. There is no point pandering to them, as a society we need to stop listening and getting sucked to the climate-change socialist bull shit they spout and just ignore them. It is just a vicious downward spiral with no hope. It is like when you wanted to download something, a game or perhaps a new wall paper background, and you finally found a site that offered it for free... only no matter how many links you click, there are more links to it... until finally you get a computer virus and your computer dies. This is exactly how the NDP work.

How dare you try to bring this thread back on topic and then go so far as to probably riling up beyond's NDP supporters. But there is a simple answer for this, you're down in your granola intake - get munching man.

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How dare you try to bring this thread back on topic and then go so far as to probably riling up beyond's NDP supporters. But there is a simple answer for this, you're down in your granola intake - get munching man.

Ummm actually it’s avacado toast now not granola, I’m totally offended

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Ummm actually it’s avacado toast now not granola, I’m totally offended

I was thinking, how old does someone gotta be to be granola generation? 60s? 70s?

[JRSC00LUDE]

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I was thinking

Liar.

[kertejud2]

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It must be hard to swallow for all these people that really really wanted the NDP to get in... your dream finally came true, anti-oil economy ruining idiots in power in the two most powerful western provinces. But it turns out that once they got in, now all these people still aren't satisfied. Which NDP is more evil than the next? lol

Out of curiosity, how would you think this would have gone if it were a UCP or any other party in Alberta dealing with this situation to be more pro-oil economy?


BC tries to stop expansion of oil pipeline , Alberta puts trade pressure on an industry they are allowed to put pressure one, BC reverses decision to allow process to move onto the courts. How does this change when you change the party in Alberta?

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...after Horgan backed off and decided to check with the courts first as to whether he was even allowed to unilaterally limit exports. BC blinked, Alberta backed off as planned.

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It was alway going to the courts. Thats not a blink. Thats spin.

For once, Gestalt is correct.

This absolutely changes nothing, at all. Notley was the one who blinked if anything. BC still can delay the pipeline indefinitely, regardless of the court decision (and the court decision will take at LEAST two years). Pipeline will be toast unless the feds step in, which they won't.

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It was alway going to the courts. Thats not a blink. Thats spin.

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For once, Gestalt is correct.

This absolutely changes nothing, at all. Notley was the one who blinked if anything. BC still can delay the pipeline indefinitely, regardless of the court decision (and the court decision will take at LEAST two years). Pipeline will be toast unless the feds step in, which they won't.

I am forced to agree. I suspect this pipe will not get built. Feds could and should use their clearly defined powers to make this happen, but they will not.

I am of the opinion that no major oil exporting pipeline will be built ever again. Not east, not west and not south. It's just never going to happen. Hell, I'd be shocked if we can get a real LNG project built in this country. Woodfibre doesn't count, that shit is tiny.

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I am forced to agree. I suspect this pipe will not get built. Feds could and should use their clearly defined powers to make this happen, but they will not.

I am of the opinion that no major oil exporting pipeline will be built ever again. Not east, not west and not south. It's just never going to happen. Hell, I'd be shocked if we can get a real LNG project built in this country. Woodfibre doesn't count, that shit is tiny.

Alberta separation. I don't like that it's the most obvious answer. But it's the most obvious answer.

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Alberta separation. I don't like that it's the most obvious answer. But it's the most obvious answer.

It always has been, the only time I can think otherwise was maybe the later years under Harper, and even then, most of it was (if you look at it objectively) a status quo, lip service, #leavealbertaalone kind of being rather than actual honest change. Its too comfortable in socialist paradise though for people to be able to imagine short term pain for long term gain, as demonstrated by many comments on these boards alone.

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Alberta separation. I don't like that it's the most obvious answer. But it's the most obvious answer.

It's the only answer.

[dj_patm]

So Alberta separates.

How does that get pipelines built? Seems short sighted too. Sure for this generation it might make sense but in 100 years, what will Alberta have to offer? Did we forget what the economic outlook was like here just two years ago?

If anything I could see a case for the prairie provinces separating together. At least then they won't be land locked.

Unless you're talking about using the threat of separation to put pressure on feds. I could see that working. Ridiculous that we're even having this conversation though. This only helps the country. Just brain dead that it has to be such a fight.

[Seth1968]

1) Wouldn't the court application be dismissed as the pipeline has already been approved?

2) Given that it's been approved, I'm not getting why this is even an issue. Just build it and ignore BC ramblings.

3) Unless I'm missing the obvious, then it seems Notley is the one who blinked and just guaranteed her party will be defeated in the next election. Why would she do this?

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Yeah that would solve everything Now you don't even have the possibility of a port to export your unrefined product to China, because no court or federal government can intervene. You get to start negotiating trade deals from scratch.

Dumber than Brexit by far.

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Yeah that would solve everything Now you don't even have the possibility of a port to export your unrefined product to China, because no court or federal government can intervene. You get to start negotiating trade deals from scratch.

Dumber than Brexit by far.

And how would BC import and export? Through the US? Perhaps just like we could do?

Are we already not land locked anyway?

[Buster]

Alberta separation would give us tremendous leverage.

1. We could easily negotiate a trade deal or economic association (perhaps even political) with the US. This would immediately make every asset and every citizens of Alberta vastly wealthier. Day 1. Hour 1.
2. We would then have massive leverage over BC. You think Alberta would be worried about being landlocked? BC would be locked out of its current largest market. It would also be forced to a) negotiate a transit/trade agreement with Alberta or b) open direct negotiations with the US. Which would not go well for BC, and would seriously hinder their ability to further their stupid utopia.

It's a great idea. The concept of "100 years down the road" is pointless because the future is too unpredictable. Besides, the next 100 years will not be defined by antiquated views on geographic associations like Canada. It was needed for building railroads and bridges and infrastructure, and settling the country. But being at the mercy of a voter from fucking Chicoutimi? That's a stupid idea whose time has long passed.

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3. side benefit: all the people who don't like it, aremore likely to leave, and those are the people we would want to leave anyway.

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Alberta separation would give us tremendous leverage.

1. We could easily negotiate a trade deal or economic association (perhaps even political) with the US. This would immediately make every asset and every citizens of Alberta vastly wealthier. Day 1. Hour 1.
2. We would then have massive leverage over BC. You think Alberta would be worried about being landlocked? BC would be locked out of its current largest market. It would also be forced to a) negotiate a transit/trade agreement with Alberta or b) open direct negotiations with the US. Which would not go well for BC, and would seriously hinder their ability to further their stupid utopia.

It's a great idea. The concept of "100 years down the road" is pointless because the future is too unpredictable. Besides, the next 100 years will not be defined by antiquated views on geographic associations like Canada. It was needed for building railroads and bridges and infrastructure, and settling the country. But being at the mercy of a voter from fucking Chicoutimi? That's a stupid idea whose time has long passed.

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3. side benefit: all the people who don't like it, aremore likely to leave, and those are the people we would want to leave anyway.

That's exactly what I've been saying all along.

Join the US, we all become millionaires, then invade BC just because

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Alberta separation would give us tremendous leverage.

1. We could easily negotiate a trade deal or economic association (perhaps even political) with the US. This would immediately make every asset and every citizens of Alberta vastly wealthier. Day 1. Hour 1.
2. We would then have massive leverage over BC. You think Alberta would be worried about being landlocked? BC would be locked out of its current largest market. It would also be forced to a) negotiate a transit/trade agreement with Alberta or b) open direct negotiations with the US. Which would not go well for BC, and would seriously hinder their ability to further their stupid utopia.

It's a great idea. The concept of "100 years down the road" is pointless because the future is too unpredictable. Besides, the next 100 years will not be defined by antiquated views on geographic associations like Canada. It was needed for building railroads and bridges and infrastructure, and settling the country. But being at the mercy of a voter from fucking Chicoutimi? That's a stupid idea whose time has long passed.

1. Isn't the US currently trying to scrap NAFTA? Don't they have a ton of supply? Why are you so sure they would be so eager to build a trade alliance with Alberta when they just voted in a president whose entire platform was anti-immigration and protectionism?

2. This is true. BC is stupid af but ignoring the fact that Oil demand is far from reliable for even your grandkids is very naive.

[Buster]

The US has clearly moved to a domestic energy supply strategy. You don't think the Americans would love to have Alberta on their team? Alberta moving to the US would be like a top talent NHL player getting traded to a perennial cup contender. Both sides would love it. Canada is more like the Edmonton Oilers. So much opportunity to succeed, and then so much fuck-upery

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Alberta separation would give us tremendous leverage.

1. We could easily negotiate a trade deal or economic association (perhaps even political) with the US. This would immediately make every asset and every citizens of Alberta vastly wealthier. Day 1. Hour 1.

Yeah I'm sure the country that is actively trying to reduce trade deals with much larger economies will bend over backwards to pander to a small population base with minimal direct trade infrastructure currently in place.

Completely delusional.

2. We would then have massive leverage over BC. You think Alberta would be worried about being landlocked? BC would be locked out of its current largest market. It would also be forced to a) negotiate a transit/trade agreement with Alberta or b) open direct negotiations with the US. Which would not go well for BC, and would seriously hinder their ability to further their stupid utopia.

Why do you think Alberta would be negotiating with BC anymore? It would be a foreign trade deal, Alberta would be negotiating with Canada, the country through which nearly all of our pipelines travel, where the vast majority of our rail capacity travels, and pretty much everything else we'd have to do for trade.

Yeah, massive leverage indeed.