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    This didnt strike me a s a forum that would cheer on whiny billionaires and politicians kicking and scresming like infsnts if they dont get immediate gratification. Boo hoo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelations View Post
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    Folks, dont forget that there is a public and a private face to all of these major events. The public facade might not reflect on what is really happening on a larger scale. Sometimes this only comes out after the dust has settled, or someone in the know leaks out info in the hopes of change or clarity.
    Well if you would like to know the situation from the front lines... as of today KM has shut down all work on the project. All field workers have been instructed to cease any activities, all lands management and permitting activities have been halted. All engineering work has been reduced to two or three small activities that are just finishing up a few requirements of the NEB and after that it will be complete shutdown. The project, as of now, is effectively dead in the water.

    Keep in mind that this is a recent development, not an immediate result of the "Essential spending only" announcement - current projects tasks were already deemed "essential" and all outfits were assured that work was proceeding as normal until May 31st. The change today was sudden and swift.

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    This didn't strike you as a forum that generally supports oil and gas? lol

    This is basically a forum of O&G professionals

    Gotta pay for those Tesla's somehow!

    Speaking of whiny billionaires:

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    Generally rational is what i though most members were. generaly also sneer upon self entitlement.

    and i would support the o &G indsutry if we got more than $2 a barell for our poulltion heavy non renewable, heavy on clean up taxpayer cost tar. seriously. if we took 50% off the top like norway, I'd be all in, and we could not only cap prodcution, we could roll it back and enjoy far better benefit and services. Albertan's ownm the resources in the ground. thats the constitution. selling it for 5% is seriously stupid.

    So when i see just another hamster wheel more and more and faster and faster to get nowhere, its stupid.

    forcing BC to carry i i liken to my neighbor wanting to try and force me to let him use my back yard for a scheme i literlly get nothing for, and he wont answer my basic concerns, and it can potentially hurt me. whether it hurts me less than iI hurt myself is not the issue, thats my choice.

    finding the blind double standard incongruous.

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    Oil going to chinese markets is a fabricated tale according to KPMG

    https://www.desmog.ca/2018/04/19/myt...et-alberta-oil

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    and i would support the o &G indsutry if we got more than $2 a barell for our poulltion heavy non renewable, heavy on clean up taxpayer cost tar. seriously. if we took 50% off the top like norway, I'd be all in, and we could not only cap prodcution, we could roll it back and enjoy far better benefit and services. Albertan's ownm the resources in the ground. thats the constitution. selling it for 5% is seriously stupid.
    This comment shows that you clearly have a complete lack of understanding of economics. If you think Albert oil has anywhere near 50% available to be "taken off the top" you are seriously mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
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    Generally rational is what i though most members were. generaly also sneer upon self entitlement.

    and i would support the o &G indsutry if we got more than $2 a barell for our poulltion heavy non renewable, heavy on clean up taxpayer cost tar. seriously. if we took 50% off the top like norway, I'd be all in, and we could not only cap prodcution, we could roll it back and enjoy far better benefit and services. Albertan's ownm the resources in the ground. thats the constitution. selling it for 5% is seriously stupid.

    So when i see just another hamster wheel more and more and faster and faster to get nowhere, its stupid.

    forcing BC to carry i i liken to my neighbor wanting to try and force me to let him use my back yard for a scheme i literlly get nothing for, and he wont answer my basic concerns, and it can potentially hurt me. whether it hurts me less than iI hurt myself is not the issue, thats my choice.

    finding the blind double standard incongruous.
    God damn you should really get that noggin checked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt View Post
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    Oil going to chinese markets is a fabricated tale according to KPMG

    https://www.desmog.ca/2018/04/19/myt...et-alberta-oil
    "According" to KPMG:

    "said Eoin Finn, former partner at KPMG, in an interview with DeSmog Canada"

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    I think the most accurate quote from that article is:

    “It's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario. You need to build that pipeline before people are going to spend billions of dollars configuring their refineries to take your crude,” Jackie Forrest of ARC Energy Research told the CBC in a 2017 interview
    A similar equivalent is the chicken and the egg situation with electric cars and charging stations. For example Companies in certain regions won’t invest in installing charging stations because the supply of electric cars is low meaning a low demand for charging stations, people there dont buy electric cars due to lack of places to charge.

    Remember though that is just a speculation/opinion piece. Just because it does or doesn’t fit your narrative doesn’t mean it’s factually correct/incorrect

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    Kevin Taft on what turned Rachel Notley from crusading critic to big oil crusader
    By Kevin Taft in Opinion, Energy, Politics | April 19th 2018
    Photo of Alberta Premier Rachel Notley in Ottawa on April 15, 2018, by Alex Tétreault
    I spent four years in the Alberta legislature with Rachel Notley, from 2008 to 2012. I liked and admired her and was delighted when she became premier in 2015. Today when I watch her on pipeline and oil issues I ask myself, what happened to the Rachel Notley I knew? And I wonder if the same thing will happen to John Horgan.

    Before they formed government, Rachel Notley and the Alberta NDP were effective critics of the oil industry who called for higher royalties, solutions to global warming, and upgrading more bitumen in Alberta. In the political blink of an eye they became crusading champions for Texas-based corporation Kinder Morgan, which wants to expand its Trans Mountain pipeline to carry raw bitumen from Alberta to the port of Vancouver, to be shipped for processing abroad. The companies that extract Alberta’s bitumen are mostly foreign owned and pay as little as one per cent in royalties, and they have tens of billions of dollars in unfunded environmental liabilities at risk to taxpayers.

    So how to explain Notley’s reversal? Let’s start by dispensing with some myths being spread by her, the media, and industry. #cdnpoli #ableg
    So how to explain Notley’s reversal? Let’s start by dispensing with some myths being spread by her, the media, and industry.

    First, this is not about getting more royalties. Royalties are the price industry pays to buy the raw bitumen from its owner, the Alberta government. Alberta’s royalty rates were chopped to fire sale levels in 1997 by the Klein government and Notley has left them there. In 2016, for example, Syncrude had gross revenues of $3.4 billion and paid a mere $37 million in royalties, just over one per cent. The past two years the Alberta government earned more from liquor sales and gambling than from selling almost three million barrels of bitumen a day to big oil companies. It is a silent scandal Alberta’s NDP government refuses to address.

    Second, building or blocking this pipeline is neither an economic bonanza nor an economic disaster for Alberta or Canada. Trans Mountain will reduce transportation costs for oil companies and open new markets for bitumen, but its capacity only covers about 12 per cent of Canada’s total oil production, and alternate pipeline projects are underway.

    Third, this is not about creating long-term jobs, because pipelines take only a few people to operate and the oil industry is replacing people with technology everywhere it can. Neither is it about economic development: shipping raw material for processing in other countries is the model for colonies, not for fully developed economies.

    So why is Rachel Notley throwing the country into political crisis?

    The easy answer is that it improves her chances in next year’s election, but that glosses over this much deeper reality: Rachel Notley may be in office but the oil industry is in power. Wherever its interests are concerned the oil industry runs Alberta. To a lesser but significant degree the same thing applies in Ottawa.

    Here is what I mean. Governments are made of many parts and in a healthy democracy these parts counterbalance one another. Opposition parties counterbalance governing parties; the courts counterbalance legislatures; regulators counterbalance industries, and so on.

    Not so in Alberta, at least not when the interests of the oil industry are at stake. For decades the industry has spent millions of dollars targeting political parties on both sides of the legislature; civil servants; universities; think tanks; regulators; non-profit groups; the media; and more. The industry has formed a state within the state that I call “oil’s deep state.”

    The 2016 conviction of Bruce Carson on charges of illegal lobbying relating to the oil industry exposed how oil’s deep state operates. Carson had been a close adviser to prime minister Stephen Harper. Material seized by police and presented in court showed the oil industry’s sweeping strategies and remarkably close relations with political leaders, top federal and provincial civil servants, and universities. In her verdict, the judge found it was “especially egregious” that the public “had no knowledge of what was transpiring behind the scene with ministers, deputy ministers, and other very senior officials in government, both federal and provincial” as the oil industry worked to shape national energy policy to meet its private commercial interest.

    The oil industry takes what it calls a “whole of government approach,” a phrase that should chill the bones of anyone who cares for democracy. A July 2017 strategy document by the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) made clear what a whole-of-government approach means for Alberta: a “steering committee” drawn from industry; the premier’s office; the ministries of energy, economic development, and environment; and the Alberta Energy Regulator, that “would provide government and industry oversight to…drive performance on key files.”

    It’s a deliberate short-circuiting of democracy. Industry sits at the table with senior politicians, civil servants, and regulators (some of whom are already close allies of industry) to “provide oversight” on issues like environmental protection and indigenous land claims. A more blatant display of corporate power in a modern democracy is hard to imagine, and the same CAPP document advocates a similar approach to the federal government. Industry is entitled to input on these issues, but not to oversight.

    Will oil’s deep state gain control of B.C. and John Horgan? Vast sums of money and talent are being trained by industry at B.C. to get the Trans Mountain pipeline built. Intense meetings will be underway with MLAs of every party; civil servants will be invited to join steering committees with industry, or perhaps jump to richer positions in industry; grants will be dangled at universities and think tanks by oil-friendly interests; regulators will be pressed; reporters will be charmed; and chambers of commerce, service clubs, municipalities, and First Nations across the province will be pumped with sophisticated pro-oil-industry messages and encouraged to speak out as if on their own initiative. Meanwhile issues such as global warming, healthy economic development, and indigenous land claims are further delayed.

    This is a bitter situation for Canadians to face for the sake of a pipeline, but it’s reality when oil’s deep state runs governments.

    Kevin Taft led the Alberta Liberal Party from 2003 to 2008. He is author of Oil’s Deep State, published by Lorimer in 2017.


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    Mary Nokleby | 9 hours ago
    This article needs to be distributed widely. I believe Kevin Taft has done his research, but also, what he says resonates with my experience as an Albertan of many years. Alberta is a petro-state....and if Canadians, including our national media, continue to look the other way and pretend it isn't so, our entire country will fall under the sway of a twilight industry.
    The most damning facts are how little actual royalties they pay, how little real value we Canadians have received by letting them run the show. As Taft suggests, it is going to get worse, as they cut jobs and use automation to maximize their take....not to mention fund the campaign of disinformation that makes Joe citizen think there's a six figure income for him in continuing to cheerlead for Big Oil.

    In the Calgary pro-pipeline rally of a few days ago corporate produced signs that looked like Alberta licence plates had this caption on the bottom: "In Bitumen We Trust". That's a petro-state mentality, where God once stood, a junk fossil fuel has seized power.

    Ridiculous....but that's the new face of activism in Alberta.

    Linda Solomon Wood | 5 hours ago
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    Thanks for your comment. Please email it out to all of your friends. Sharing stories that matter to you helps build the audience and this is really important.

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    Reynold Reimer | 9 hours ago
    Who can read this and not want to shut the industry down? It will happily sacrifice democracy and then the future of life on Earth.

    robin | 5 hours ago
    "...The easy answer is that it improves her chances in next year’s election..."

    Sure, but it also tells me that she's been lying all these years, idealistically harping at the levers of power knowing full well she'd be doing the exact same thing as them. A fake!

    bruce jackson | 5 hours ago
    I would like to invite 8 people under the age of 32 who live, work - looking for work or study in Alberta to have an online conversation on the future for Energy in Alberta. I am looking for Indigenous, Settler, 1st generation immigrant. For more information: [email protected]

    Mary Nokleby | 41 minutes ago
    Interesting Bruce. I hope some young people take you up on it, because truly, their future doesn't look too bright to me, if we continue down this old business as usual and mum's the word, path.

    Good luck.

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    Isn't it time to ban this idiot? The troll has gotten boring. At least it gave up on Tesla for awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSC00LUDE View Post
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    Isn't it time to ban this idiot? The troll has gotten boring. At least it gave up on Tesla for awhile.
    Don't worry, at this rate the threats and racism will be out soon which seems to be the litmus test lately.
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    guessing who I might be, psychologizing me with your non existent degree.

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    Isn't it time to ban this idiot? The troll has gotten boring. At least it gave up on Tesla for awhile.
    Troll calling the kettle

    And Tesla, really nothing to worry about. Same pesimists wet dreaming about him failing but hes already succeeded more then anyone.

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    Just saw Notley in YMM Earls.

    I said good evening, keep fighting for us. I’m not an NDP supporter, she had four security with her.

    I know, cool story bro.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkane View Post
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    Just saw Notley in YMM Earls.

    I said good evening, keep fighting for us. I’m not an NDP supporter, she had four security with her.

    I know, cool story bro.
    You should have just walked around her table with a cardboard sign around your neck that read " No pipeline, no drilling rig, no foreign investment, need hydrocarbon job, god bless". Seems to work for the intersection panhandlers..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxt View Post
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    You should have just walked around her table with a cardboard sign around your neck that read " No pipeline, no drilling rig, no foreign investment, need hydrocarbon job, god bless". Seems to work for the intersection panhandlers..
    Yeah I didn’t do anything cool. She caught me off guard, lol.
    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new Dark Age."

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    Wonder if the pro-pipeline group paid for these anarchists to go to the site and make a rukus .... good optics now for removal of these clowns

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