Notley threatening sanctions on BC for inhibiting Kinder expansion.

[Buster]

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Yeah I'm sure the country that is actively trying to reduce trade deals with much larger economies will bend over backwards to pander to a small population base with minimal direct trade infrastructure currently in place.

Completely delusional.




Why do you think Alberta would be negotiating with BC anymore? It would be a foreign trade deal, Alberta would be negotiating with Canada, the country through which nearly all of our pipelines travel, where the vast majority of our rail capacity travels, and pretty much everything else we'd have to do for trade.

Yeah, massive leverage indeed.

The US is behaving in an isolationist manner, but depending on the deal that alberta would be willing to make, the US might consider it "domestic". You're locked in old thinking.

As for the rest of Canada: with sufficient infrastructure in place (ie pipelines to the US), Alberta will hardly need to worry about the Canadian domestic market for its products. It would now be selling a worldwide commodity on the world market. A pipeline south and then west to the coast would be far, far more valuable than any existing infrastcuture. Besides, the Canadian markets actually need the commodity. So no worries there. Meanwhile, Canada/BC would be required to figure out a way to efficiently get goods across the Alberta landmass.

Honestly, do you people even work through these things before posting?

[Seth1968]

Here's my bottom line:

As Albertans, we have been plundered and raped by our Federal government. Not only will this never change, but it continuously gets worse. How much abuse can you take before the abuse kills you and your family?

Sell (or something similar) to the US, and we all become millionaires. Now move to a nice city in the Southern US where it's summer all year and not a frozen wasteland for most of the year. Live the life of a millionaire and send your kids to the best college / university.

You into that?

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The US is behaving in an isolationist manner, but depending on the deal that alberta would be willing to make, the US might consider it "domestic". You're locked in old thinking.

Is that thinking that if they don't consider it domestic now, then we'd have to give up even more to make a deal good enough for them to do so?

As for the rest of Canada: with sufficient infrastructure in place (ie pipelines to the US), Alberta will hardly need to worry about the Canadian domestic market for its products. It would now be selling a worldwide commodity on the world market. A pipeline south and then west to the coast would be far, far more valuable than any existing infrastcuture.

I can't see Washington or Oregon putting up much of a fight against oil pipelines, just smooth sailing down there in the US when it comes to hassle free approval.

If it's so valuable why isn't it being done now? Avoid domestic problems and pass on the environmental risk to the US? Who exactly is fighting this?

Besides, the Canadian markets actually need the commodity. So no worries there.

The one they don't really get from us now anyway?

Meanwhile, Canada/BC would be required to figure out a way to efficiently get goods across the Alberta landmass.

Hopefully for Alberta's sake they get products efficiently TO the Alberta landmass without much hassle in the time it takes for them to get that pipeline built south and west.

Honestly, do you people even work through these things before posting?

I guess in a thread about pipeline construction problems nobody thought "I know what would solve the problem, building a pipeline!" was particularly groundbreaking.

[Buster]

Wait, people still do a line-by-line quote of a post?

What is this? 2006?

Didn't read.

[Tik-Tok]

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Not east, not west and not south.

So North is still cool? I bet NWT and Nunavut will play ball. Build a big ol' oil shipping port in Kugluktuk

[killramos]

We should let the Cayman Islands annex us.

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1) Wouldn't the court application be dismissed as the pipeline has already been approved?

2) Given that it's been approved, I'm not getting why this is even an issue. Just build it and ignore BC ramblings.

3) Unless I'm missing the obvious, then it seems Notley is the one who blinked and just guaranteed her party will be defeated in the next election. Why would she do this?

I'm surprised no one replied to any of that.

It means my points are totally out to lunch, or you guys are wondering the same thing.

Which is it?

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So North is still cool? I bet NWT and Nunavut will play ball. Build a big ol' oil shipping port in Kugluktuk

The natives actually have a pipeline design ready to go from Alberta to Alaska.

I think it may be the last pipeline to ever be built in Canada if Kinder Morgan is toast.

As for comments Seth, it will go to court and not be dismissed because we don't have a judicial court system, we have a political court system now.

Ndp was doomed from the start. It was a transition gov meant to get rid of the PCs. Unfortunately, it was also supposed to be a minority gov, so that got fucked.

[HiTempguy1]

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/...n-in-vancouver

Hmm, apparently everyone that said it won't make a difference is wrong, including the National Post.

Because duh. Of course cutting off supplies to a market based on continuous ontime fullfilment will fuck with prices. Gas just jumped 20c/L in Edmonton because of the market, let alone if a supply constraint happened suddenly.

[ExtraSlow]

BC politicians are a bunch of shit heads and apparently at least one Alberta MLA agrees : http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/e...ents-1.4576886

[suntan]

Horgan giving billions of dollars in tax breaks for the LNG pipeline.

Ha ha ha.

Proves that it's not really about ocean safety or whatever, but just regional parochialism.

[Maxt]

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Horgan giving billions of dollars in tax breaks for the LNG pipeline.

Ha ha ha.

Proves that it's not really about ocean safety or whatever, but just regional parochialism.

Also complaining about high gasoline prices to boot, and asking for the Feds to step in and deal with it...head scratcher indeed..

[msommers]

Mayor of Fort St. John has a good letter to BC residents (sorry if posted already didn't check):

http://www.jwnenergy.com/article/201...tish-columbia/

[Gestalt]

Wait. does alberta own the oil in the pipelines, or the pieplines themslves to be able to control exports to bc?

Gas in calgary is $1.25 today. a 25 cent spread to vancouver in normal

Exporting more oil to china is going to lwoer gas prices how exactly

[dirtsniffer]

Being so ignorant while showing such conviction. No wonder you support ndp.

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Being so ignorant while showing such conviction. No wonder you support ndp.

Can anyone that knows anything respond instead? Im curious how exporting more to raise prices will lower gas prices and how the ndp will control an economic good that doesnt belong to them.

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Being so ignorant while showing such conviction. No wonder you support ndp.

Dude... Stop feeding the troll

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Dude... Stop feeding the troll

So you don't know either.

Kinder Morgan main guy said restricting oil to BC is not feasable, or something they are considering. We know the NDP cant do it.

That only leaves the raise prices to lwoer prices light bulb moment.

Anyone?

[dirtsniffer]

The government has reduced oil shipments before and they can do it again.

Also, transmountain can ship gas! Jesus fuck can someone ban this clown already.

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The government has reduced oil shipments before and they can do it again.

Also, transmountain can ship gas! Jesus fuck can someone ban this clown already.

When? how?

Ian Anderson said it was not feasable. NDP does not own the oil, so they force producers to reduce volume? redirect?

Calgary gas is in the $1.20 range. If we raise prices of the oil that is the goal of these pipes is to boraden markets and reduce discount for alberta tar compared to light oils. If prices go up, how are our gas prices going to go down as more and more oil heads offshore? First the americans last year by lifting their export ban. So if more of our oil leaves the continent, how will that reduce are already high gas prices? Will we got to $1.80 like subsidize euro countries, and BC will be at $2.05?

explain it to me.