Notley threatening sanctions on BC for inhibiting Kinder expansion.

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I don't think there's that much great documentation of any individuals activities from 2000 years ago. Accounts vary widely on most Roman emperors or other famous people.

[Buster]

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I don't think there's that much great documentation of any individuals activities from 2000 years ago. Accounts vary widely on most Roman emperors or other famous people.

Actually, the Romans kept excellent records for the most part. Which is one of the fishy things about the Jesus story.

[revelations]

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I've looked. This is a topic that interests me. The "debate" around whether Jesus existed largely centres around the reliability of Christian texts, so that they ca be used as "evidence". Actual sources, contemporaneous to the proposed time period, are basically non-existent. You've been hoodwinked by believing researchers who say there is "consensus", and want you to consider that as evidence. Alarm bells should always ring when that happens.

No Ill definitely grant that, EXTRA BIBLICAL SOURCES are required for a basis of discussion and even those have come into question right now (more recently). There is no scienfitic discussion that can use the bible as any means of a reliable source.

Essentially - in the modern era - what you're saying is that when there is professional consensus on a theory, that theory should be questioned?

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I don't think there's that much great documentation of any individuals activities from 2000 years ago. Accounts vary widely on most Roman emperors or other famous people.

Yes, even Alexander the great wasnt properly recorded down until some 200 years had passed.

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Actually, the Romans kept excellent records for the most part. Which is one of the fishy things about the Jesus story.

That seems like quite the generalization. Which Roman emperor's are you referring to?

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I've looked. This is a topic that interests me. The "debate" around whether Jesus existed largely centres around the reliability of Christian texts, so that they ca be used as "evidence". Actual sources, contemporaneous to the proposed time period, are basically non-existent. You've been hoodwinked by believing researchers who say there is "consensus", and want you to consider that as evidence. Alarm bells should always ring when that happens.

I would have to ask though, what proof is the that anyone from 2000 plus years ago actually is categorically provable to have been a real person? Socarates? Plato? Hanibal? I mean truthfully it is impossible to prove that anybody from back then was a real person and that recorded history is anything but story and/or fable. We just choose to believe what we want to believe to make our lives seem understandable or at least acceptable.

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I would have to ask though, what proof is the that anyone from 2000 plus years ago actually is categorically provable to have been a real person? Socarates? Plato? Hanibal? I mean truthfully it is impossible to prove that anybody from back then was a real person and that recorded history is anything but story and/or fable. We just choose to believe what we want to believe to make our lives seem understandable or at least acceptable.

it’s entirely possible that you’re right, but one of the big questions to ask is, who benefits from the lie? If Plato didn’t really say all the things attributed to him, worse case scenario some other Ancient Greek guy isn’t getting his props, which frankly who gives a shit. If Jesus was or was not the literal son of god who performed various acts of magic and wonder is a trillion dollar question, and that might be underestimating

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No Ill definitely grant that, EXTRA BIBLICAL SOURCES are required for a basis of discussion and even those have come into question right now (more recently). There is no scienfitic discussion that can use the bible as any means of a reliable source.

Essentially - in the modern era - what you're saying is that when there is professional consensus on a theory, that theory should be questioned?
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There is zero scientific consensus that jesus did exist.

Lots of religious consensus which is the opposite.

The wiki doesnt have a single scientific journal references
https://www.livescience.com/38014-ph...s-debated.html

[adam c]

Why did this turn into a religious debate?

[AndyL]

And now BC has filed a complaint with CFTA says the news. Wonder how that will go?

[JRSC00LUDE]

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Why did this turn into a religious debate?

Might be time to gest-alt-delete this thread.

Edit - although it was me who brought up the fictional character, I honestly didn't think it would start a discussion.

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I would have to ask though, what proof is the that anyone from 2000 plus years ago actually is categorically provable to have been a real person? Socarates? Plato? Hanibal? I mean truthfully it is impossible to prove that anybody from back then was a real person and that recorded history is anything but story and/or fable. We just choose to believe what we want to believe to make our lives seem understandable or at least acceptable.

The difficulty of proving one fact does not imply the veracity of another fact.

But you raise a good point: how does the evidence for Jesus compare to the evidence for other historical figures? Short answer: poorly - even compared to historically important figures of roughly similar time frames. There are numerous historical figures of much older time frames that have better recorded histories (contemporaneous mentions, etc.)

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religious consensus

Seeing those two words together is laugh out loud funny.

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Why did this turn into a religious debate?

That was more productive than the original topic.

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Might be time to gest-alt-delete this thread.

Edit - although it was me who brought up the fictional character, I honestly didn't think it would start a discussion.

first day on the internet huh? Hey what are your feelings on manual vs automatic transmissions?

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first day on the internet huh? Hey what are your feelings on manual vs automatic transmissions?

touche! I deserved that.....

[Seth1968]

B.C. is challenging Alberta’s wine boycott through the Canadian Free Trade Agreement (CFTA).

At first glance, this seems fine. Here, for example, is Article 301 of the trade agreement signed last year by the provinces: “A province shall not adopt or maintain any measure that restricts or prevents the movement of goods across provincial or territorial boundaries.”

Now as if it wasn't enough for BC to be laughably hypocritical, it turns out that the CFTA doesn't even apply to alcohol:

But here’s the rub: the CFTA does not include alcohol. The premiers deliberately left alcohol out of the deal because they don’t want to give up their lucrative monopolies over its sale and distribution.

http://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/c...r-with-alberta

[Gestalt]

Wine ban over. Wicked witch of the north backs off

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Wine ban over. Wicked witch of the north backs off

...after Horgan backed off and decided to check with the courts first as to whether he was even allowed to unilaterally limit exports. BC blinked, Alberta backed off as planned.

[Gestalt]

It was alway going to the courts. Thats not a blink. Thats spin.