The US of A Shooting Mega-Thread

[killramos]

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Well this is going to hamper the effectiveness of my "but our kids will be in private school" point I usually bring up during our marital debate of moving south.

Good thing my wife doesn’t read the news

[Yolobimmer]

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Reset the "enough is enough" counter from Biden and media. I thought for sure the calls for action would work last time.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/3-child...dead-1.6330694

More dead kids?!?!?

Ban Tik Tok!!

[jutes]

Apparently it was a “she”. So a man with a mental health illness. Nothing to do with scary assault weapons. Again.

[darthVWader]

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Apparently it was a “she”. So a man with a mental health illness. Nothing to do with scary assault weapons. Again.

Apparently the "she" was a "he" so let the games begin. "She" had maps of other schools but picked this one due to lighter security.

[Sentry]

Did they leave a tranifesto?

[Tik-Tok]

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Did they leave a tranifesto?

Bigot. It's a They/theirfesto.

[DonJuan]

If it wasn't for these damn US gun laws, she/him could have fired their backyard howitzer (he/her) from the comfort of their sofa. The math requirements to hit target is the true limiting factor for the Americans though.
US school systems; keeping everyone safe.

[arcticcat522]

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Did they leave a tranifesto?

Must spread rep....hahaha

[ZenOps]

5 dead in bank shooting. Spoiler:

It was the bank employee

[DonJuan]

CIS shooters are racist against Trans shooters.

Am I doing this right?

[whoreads]

Things have been kinda quiet lately: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...tes-rcna122249

Suspect named Robert Card, arrested still on the loose (stupid Xtwitter)

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20 years in the US Army

How many of these ticking time bombs are out there?

[Gman.45]

Robert Card - was about to finish up 20 years in the US Army, recently had mental health issues to the tune of "hearing voices telling him to shoot up an Army base", and was in the coo coo for coco puffs institute for several weeks this summer. Why do they let guys like this go ffs. He was a trained firearms instructor as well, not that this means much in the USA, as any dumbass can get an NRA "instructor" cert while being extremely incompetent in my observation and experience. From his rifle setup I've seen in pics, he's at least competent in that regard.

[JfuckinC]

the interwebs says they're still looking for him? hopefully he's just dead in a closet somewhere and they find him

[nismodrifter]

I interviewed for a post graduate training (residency) spot at CMMC.in Lewiston. Nice town. I really liked it. Crazy to hear this.

[sexualbanana]

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Robert Card - was about to finish up 20 years in the US Army, recently had mental health issues to the tune of "hearing voices telling him to shoot up an Army base", and was in the coo coo for coco puffs institute for several weeks this summer. Why do they let guys like this go ffs. He was a trained firearms instructor as well, not that this means much in the USA, as any dumbass can get an NRA "instructor" cert while being extremely incompetent in my observation and experience. From his rifle setup I've seen in pics, he's at least competent in that regard.

Maine doesn't have a red flag laws, at least not in a way that would've prevented this. Maine's laws have a version of it, empowering police to remove guns from people they think are at-risk of using their guns against them or others. The problem, as I understand it, is that Card self-reported his voices and got himself put away in the mental health institute, thereby skipping the necessary first step of having police involved.

Plus, since there's no registry, they have no way of knowing how many guns he has.

[tirebob]

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Maine doesn't have a red flag laws, at least not in a way that would've prevented this. Maine's laws have a version of it, empowering police to remove guns from people they think are at-risk of using their guns against them or others. The problem, as I understand it, is that Card self-reported his voices and got himself put away in the mental health institute, thereby skipping the necessary first step of having police involved.

Plus, since there's no registry, they have no way of knowing how many guns he has.

Registries do nothing... Just knowing a guy has a license tells you he has guns. A registry would have had absolutely zero impact on these types of incidents. It is purely about optics.

[sexualbanana]

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Registries do nothing... Just knowing a guy has a license tells you he has guns. A registry would have had absolutely zero impact on these types of incidents. It is purely about optics.

So I understand: If someone gets put on a extreme risk protection order, which allows for the temporary removal of guns from someone who is believed might do harm to themselves or others, it wouldn't be beneficial to know how many guns they own? I would think that knowing that you have all of someone's guns would be fairly helpful information to have in instances like this.

[tirebob]

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So I understand: If someone gets put on a extreme risk protection order, which allows for the temporary removal of guns from someone who is believed might do harm to themselves or others, it wouldn't be beneficial to know how many guns they own? I would think that knowing that you have all of someone's guns would be fairly helpful information to have in instances like this.

It would do absolutely nothing... You realize in the US there are literally billions of firearms. If you think people would voluntarily report and list all of their firearms in a registry you are delusional. That cat is never going back in the bag. Maybe in your utopian new society if guns just got invented and controls were so strict every one made was catalogued and reported prior to, during and after sale then you *might* have a valid argument, but you simply don't. You are exactly the type of person for whom decisions based on optics are directed.

[max_boost]

Simply too many people
Can’t police them all
This whole thing sucks
Very sad

[sexualbanana]

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It would do absolutely nothing... You realize in the US there are literally billions of firearms. If you think people would voluntarily report and list all of their firearms in a registry you are delusional. That cat is never going back in the bag. Maybe in your utopian new society if guns just got invented and controls were so strict every one made was catalogued and reported prior to, during and after sale then you *might* have a valid argument, but you simply don't. You are exactly the type of person for whom decisions based on optics are directed.

I don't disagree that at this point, there are so many guns that it's going to be an incredibly difficult problem to address. But it's going to be a problem that needs to be addressed, if even incrementally.

Unrestricted gun access for all is the lowest of hanging fruits. I'm going to assume you're a responsible gun owner. You've given me no reason to think you're not. But we all know of at least 5 people who we wouldn't trust to safely walk with scissors, let alone a gun. Those are the people that gun control policies should be aiming to prevent gun access to. If that means that I have to wait 30 days to get my permit, I'm okay with that.

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Maybe in your utopian new society if guns just got invented and controls were so strict every one made was catalogued and reported prior to, during and after sale then you *might* have a valid argument, but you simply don't.

Both Canada and the US have had similar colonial and westward expansion timelines (about 2 decades apart), but Canada's history of firearms control is dramatically different from the US. While I don't agree with every policy decision the federal government has made regarding guns (particularly the latest handgun restrictions), I think we are in a far better place from a system standpoint than the one, or lack of one, in the in US.

The goal is a "utopian society", as you put it. The goal is to find a better balance between allowing people to own and use guns whilst preventing the people who shouldn't from owning and using guns. Right now, that balance is off.