The US of A Shooting Mega-Thread

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I'm presuming that gun laws vary state to state and there are some where you probably have to wait 30 days and pass various testing requirements.

[tirebob]

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I don't disagree that at this point, there are so many guns that it's going to be an incredibly difficult problem to address. But it's going to be a problem that needs to be addressed, if even incrementally.

Unrestricted gun access for all is the lowest of hanging fruits. I'm going to assume you're a responsible gun owner. You've given me no reason to think you're not. But we all know of at least 5 people who we wouldn't trust to safely walk with scissors, let alone a gun. Those are the people that gun control policies should be aiming to prevent gun access to. If that means that I have to wait 30 days to get my permit, I'm okay with that.



Both Canada and the US have had similar colonial and westward expansion timelines (about 2 decades apart), but Canada's history of firearms control is dramatically different from the US. While I don't agree with every policy decision the federal government has made regarding guns (particularly the latest handgun restrictions), I think we are in a far better place from a system standpoint than the one, or lack of one, in the in US.

The goal is a "utopian society", as you put it. The goal is to find a better balance between allowing people to own and use guns whilst preventing the people who shouldn't from owning and using guns. Right now, that balance is off.

The thing in the USA is that their entire country was formed by throwing off the yoke of a superior force of a government, and as such it is written in their constitution and engrained in them from the time they are in diapers that it is their obligation to never be put in a position where they can't depose an unjust government by force, and as such they have the right to have the same level of firepower as their "overlords"... It is in their blood and it is unassailable. While we might seem similar, it is an entirely different culture and while many may disagree, enough people there live and die by that and would have it no other way.

I personally have zero issue with their system and honestly would welcome it in Canada. Not because I am a gun nut, but because I would rather accept personal responsibility and freedoms over artificial illusions of safety based on fears.

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Go back a few decades and the NRA was about gun safety and gun-sporting events. Now it’s just whack jobs with AR15 fetishes. There’s lots of room for improvement with balancing access

[Sentry]

The NRA are a bunch of grifters (and embezzlers), nothing more.

[ExtraSlow]

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The NRA are a bunch of grifters (and embezzlers), nothing more.

Like most lobby groups on all sides of the spectrum.

[mr2mike]

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I'm presuming that gun laws vary state to state and there are some where you probably have to wait 30 days and pass various testing requirements.

3D printing can't take 30 days.

[Tik-Tok]

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3D printing can't take 30 days.

Assault style 3d printers soon to be banned in Canada.

[Ca_Silvia13]

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I don't disagree that at this point, there are so many guns that it's going to be an incredibly difficult problem to address. But it's going to be a problem that needs to be addressed, if even incrementally.

Unrestricted gun access for all is the lowest of hanging fruits. I'm going to assume you're a responsible gun owner. You've given me no reason to think you're not. But we all know of at least 5 people who we wouldn't trust to safely walk with scissors, let alone a gun. Those are the people that gun control policies should be aiming to prevent gun access to. If that means that I have to wait 30 days to get my permit, I'm okay with that.



Both Canada and the US have had similar colonial and westward expansion timelines (about 2 decades apart), but Canada's history of firearms control is dramatically different from the US. While I don't agree with every policy decision the federal government has made regarding guns (particularly the latest handgun restrictions), I think we are in a far better place from a system standpoint than the one, or lack of one, in the in US.

The goal is a "utopian society", as you put it. The goal is to find a better balance between allowing people to own and use guns whilst preventing the people who shouldn't from owning and using guns. Right now, that balance is off.

You don't understand the USA's stance on firearms if you think they could adopt anything even remotely close to the rules and regulations we have in Canada. One of the biggest issues people tend to think is that gun owners are all on the verge of losing it and shooting up a mall. When in actuality good and bad people can own them, just like a vehicle. Some people can drive their vehicle their whole life, follow the rules, and never hurt anyone. Then there are people who choose to drive a van through a crowd full of people. It's not a vehicle/gun issue. Crazy people are always going to do messed up shit and whether they use a gun/truck/potato it's always going to reflect poorly on the industry of the instrument they choose.

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USA may have a gun problem, and it may be shocking to most Canadians, but gun murders kill way fewer people than automobile accidents.

Total gun deaths (basically murders plus suicides) are about the same as auto deaths.

Property rights are ingrained in the American mindset more deeply than here, and guns are a big part of that. Both as property themselves, and as a method to defends property.

There's a lot of history that has gotten that country to the current situation.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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American... Total gun deaths (basically murders plus suicides) are about the same as auto deaths...

That's a pretty big problem, though. I'm not saying necessarily* a gun control problem, but it's a fucking huge problem in their society. Aren't normal countries something like gun deaths closer to 10% of vehicle deaths? Anytime something starts rivaling vehicle deaths for top spot is an important indicator.

*although Americans thinking that firearms are a reasonable tool for protection against the bogeyman or the govt is seriously flawed reasoning.

[Tik-Tok]

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Aren't normal countries something like gun deaths closer to 10% of vehicle deaths? Anytime something starts rivaling vehicle deaths for top spot is an important indicator.

Nah, Mexico has similar rates and they're totally chill.

[Darell_n]

The people killed are at fault for not carrying enough firearms. Send their families the bills for more guns. Government needs to mandate free body armor with every 10th gun purchase, missed economic opportunity there.

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That's a pretty big problem, though. I'm not saying necessarily* a gun control problem, but it's a fucking huge problem in their society. Aren't normal countries something like gun deaths closer to 10% of vehicle deaths? Anytime something starts rivaling vehicle deaths for top spot is an important indicator.

*although Americans thinking that firearms are a reasonable tool for protection against the bogeyman or the govt is seriously flawed reasoning.

Well, I look at this two ways. Yeah, many countries, vehicle deaths dwarf gun deaths. But also, very little political pressure is put on reducing vehicle deaths, it seems. Gun deaths are treated differently, and I'm not really sure why.

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That's a pretty big problem, though. I'm not saying necessarily* a gun control problem, but it's a fucking huge problem in their society. Aren't normal countries something like gun deaths closer to 10% of vehicle deaths? Anytime something starts rivaling vehicle deaths for top spot is an important indicator.

*although Americans thinking that firearms are a reasonable tool for protection against the bogeyman or the govt is seriously flawed reasoning.

Yeah the fact that car deaths and gun deaths are equal is shocking. Hundreds of millions of cars on the road every day for people to commute and get around life and somehow guns kill as many people?

[Swank]

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Assault style 3d printers soon to be banned in Canada.

3D printer registry coming soon, to a door near you.

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3D printer registry coming soon, to a door near you.

I swear I read NY was doing that.

edit - yup.

https://gizmodo.com/new-york-bill-cr...ter-1850930407

[tirebob]

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Well, I look at this two ways. Yeah, many countries, vehicle deaths dwarf gun deaths. But also, very little political pressure is put on reducing vehicle deaths, it seems. Gun deaths are treated differently, and I'm not really sure why.

Because guns are “scary” where as everyone loves cars.

[ExtraSlow]

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Because guns are “scary” where as everyone loves cars.

That seems to be a significant factor.

[tirebob]

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That seems to be a significant factor.

Rational thought has no place when governments do not want an armed populace capable of deposing them. Create fear and you keep control… A story as old as human time.

[bjstare]

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because guns are “scary” where as everyone needs cars.

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