City charter, prepare for lower speed limits. Implementing April 2021

[max_boost]

So the stats are:

Get hit by car at 50kms, survival rate was 30%?
Get hit by car at 30kms, survival rate was 90%?

How about you teach your kids to not run across the street and get hit by a car? But of course I'm not a parent but I was a kid and if I got hit by a car, my parents would have most definitely blamed me first.

[firebane]

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So the stats are:

Get hit by car at 50kms, survival rate was 30%?
Get hit by car at 30kms, survival rate was 90%?

How about you teach your kids to not run across the street and get hit by a car? But of course I'm not a parent but I was a kid and if I got hit by a car, my parents would have most definitely blamed me first.

HAH! I saw this in the new today http://ussanews.com/News1/2018/09/05...ansit-advisor/

[gretz]

In before the cyclists start a thread flaming residential drivers for holding them up lol... I can comfortably ride my BMX at 40km/h around town let alone my road bike, this is going to be fucking stupid

[schocker]

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So the stats are:

Get hit by car at 50kms, survival rate was 30%?
Get hit by car at 30kms, survival rate was 90%?

How about you teach your kids to not run across the street and get hit by a car? But of course I'm not a parent but I was a kid and if I got hit by a car, my parents would have most definitely blamed me first.

Correct, the smart way would be to prevent the collisions, not just make them less likely to die.

[OTown]

I guess it would depend what they define as 'residential roads'.

I'm not down for a blanket 30 on major roads or thoroughfares, but some minor streets in residential areas definitely need to get slowed down. Maybe signage on those particular streets would make sense instead but I can see it being costly.

As an example my street has basically 1 lane due to allowed parking on both sides, and people drive through there like its the Indy 500 almost getting into head-on collisions. Most of my neighbours (especially with kids) are so pissed off about it. So in that case it would make sense. But 30km on a more busy wider roadway would be overkill.

[dirtsniffer]

so if someone is going 60 down your road already will they slow down if the speed limit is 30?

I feel people drive however fast they feel comfortable, regardless of the limit.

[finboy]

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So the stats are:

Get hit by car at 50kms, survival rate was 30%?
Get hit by car at 30kms, survival rate was 90%?

How about you teach your kids to not run across the street and get hit by a car? But of course I'm not a parent but I was a kid and if I got hit by a car, my parents would have most definitely blamed me first.

the use of stats by the city and media associated is terrible, they quote the world health study which I believe we found was based off of a study from 1991, then they tie pedestrian deaths across all of the city to high residential speed limits, even though rage showed that a majoriy happen on major roads that would not be impacted by the speed change. This is a clear example of cherry picking stats, knowing that the majority of people won't call the data into question "because safety" and councilors likely won't budge because they have 4 more years for people to forget about this before the next election cycle.

cynical politics at its worst, i hate first past the post voting.

[tonytiger55]

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How about you teach your kids to not run across the street and get hit by a car? But of course I'm not a parent but I was a kid and if I got hit by a car, my parents would have most definitely blamed me first.

Pretty much this. The amount of times kids just run across the street. What happened to stp, look and listen..?

Also why would would highy educated city planners place a playground through a main throughfare..? The city is creating the problem in the first place and then spending stupid money on a 'solution'.

[Tik-Tok]

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Pretty much this. The amount of times kids just run across the street. What happened to stp, look and listen..?

Also why would would highy educated city planners place a playground through a main throughfare..? The city is creating the problem in the first place and then spending stupid money on a 'solution'.

Planned ticket revenue.

[speedog]

From what I've read and heard, any road detailed on the map at this link would not see its speed limit dropped to 30kph - for my community it would be okay as 50kph on the non-detailed roads in my community is quite fast considering how narrow the streets are and the number of vehicles parked on those streets.

[ExtraSlow]

They'll need a shitload of 50 km/h signs on all those roads that are currently unsigned then, won't they? Sounds expensive. Although, YOLO, let's spend spend spend.

[ercchry]

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They'll need a shitload of 50 km/h signs on all those roads that are currently unsigned then, won't they? Sounds expensive. Although, YOLO, let's spend spend spend.

Can ticket revenue go directly to sign sponsorship? ...this will be my legacy

[ExtraSlow]

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Can ticket revenue go directly to sign sponsorship? ...this will be my legacy

ercchry for mayor.

[OTown]

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so if someone is going 60 down your road already will they slow down if the speed limit is 30?

I feel people drive however fast they feel comfortable, regardless of the limit.

No, you're right. A few will, but likely many probably won't follow it. But at least the cops can enforce it whereas right now they cant really seem to do much.

As to your other point - you are also right. But the issue is that many people are overconfident and go above and beyond their (and their vehicle's) abilities. Whether you're a mom in an SUV or a rig pig in a jacked up truck the laws of physics act the same on everyone.

Going back to my street as an example: Theres no way someone on my road should be going anything more than 30-40 safely due to sightlines, pedestrians, parked vehicles, narrow street, lane reduction and lots of kids in the neighborhood. Yet they storm through doing 60-70 on a regular. Just because they get away with it doesnt mean it's 'safe'.

[speedog]

Well apparently the proposed 30kph limit will be deeper into communities and could very well include collector toads - a slide from one of Druh's tweets detailing Hawkwood. Apparently there's been a lot of effort, time and monies been spent on this already by a number of people.

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[rage2]

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Well apparently the proposed 30kph limit will be deeper into communities and could very well include collector toads - a slide from one of Druh's tweets detailing Hawkwood. Apparently there's been a lot of effort, time and monies been spent on this already by a number of people.

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They’ve been investing and preparing this for a while? Color me surprised.

As I said, pretty obvious that was the plan all along. Every single feeder at 30km/h, which means every road in every community at 30. Compliance is going to be nil. Nobody goes 30 anymore in the old school zones.

Time to play street hockey on a feeder road. Fully safe now haha.

[adam c]

Remind me again, wtf is the point of this?

[firebane]

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Remind me again, wtf is the point of this?

Revenue.

[rage2]

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Revenue.

There is some evidence on this. Over at Arbour Lake, the school complained to CPS that speeding was a problem in the old school zone. CPS response was that there wasn’t enough traffic to warrant enforcement and refused to come out. Fast forward to now, where it’s converted to a playground zone, we now have multi nova a couple times a month at 7pm with nobody around haha.

[lilmira]

You can't fight the stupid, there are too many of them.