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    Default SLLOOWWW computer. Looks like the HD?

    Ok - so I have a computer that is a few years old but it has components in it that should be at least adequate. Always had AVG installed and have tried your typical malware and virus checks, defrag, etc. But my computer is so damn slow. Like... hard to surf the internet slow and browsers stalling slow. I know that Windows tends to potentially clog up over time, so to speak, but this is ridiculous.

    It seemed to me that any time it was really struggling, I'd hear the HD just grinding away. Nothing abnormal, except for the length of time it did it because the computer was so slow. So I downloaded and ran a speed test on the HD and it seems to me that most people are getting WAAAYY more read/write times than I am. Looks like the sequential ratings are alright, but everything after that looks really, really low to me.

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    So, are these numbers in spec for a HD that's probably some 8 years old? (It was from my old computer)

    Thanks.
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    What kind of drive is it? Those are pretty weak numbers. I do close to that on an old drobo 5n. And way higher on a USB connected Seagate.

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    Toshiba 1TB. DT01ACA100 if it helps.

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    probably pretty standard for a spinner. upgrade to an SSD and you'll see major differences.

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    Toshiba drives are shit to begin with so I would throw a smaller 256/512 ssd in and use that 1TB as storage. You will see a massive difference.

    Also is your bios set to IDE or AHCI mode? That can make a difference too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShermanEF9 View Post
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    probably pretty standard for a spinner. upgrade to an SSD and you'll see major differences.
    Plenty of speed, and will only fail in less than 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Plenty of speed, and will only fail in less than 3 years.
    If your saying a ssd will fail in 3 years you're dreadfully mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firebane View Post
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    If your saying a ssd will fail in 3 years you're dreadfully mistaken.
    Oh, so I guess it's just been my personal ssd's that have been doing that then.

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    Yes.

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    I have an office full of computers with SSD drives in 'em. 60 laptops 20 desktops. Some are 4 years old. Had about 2 SSD failures, both in the first 6 months.
    At home, about 5, some are 4-5 years old. No problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tik-Tok View Post
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    Plenty of speed, and will only fail in less than 3 years.
    Sounds like you've just had bad a experience - what SSD exactly did you have? I have owned over a dozen SSDs in the last 6 years (both SATA and PCIe/nvme) and have had zero failures. In fact drive health tests show the oldest ones at 99%. Crystal Disk also shows them performing the same as day one. Most of our office is now running SSDs and we've had zero failures. The SSD in my 7 year old laptop is still going strong.

    The advertised MTBF on a cheap SSD is over 170 years of continuous use. Warranties on good SSD's are usually something like 5 years or 800TBW, which ever comes first. To get to 800TBW you would need to write 5GB to the drive every day for over 400 years. They are far more reliable than any spinner drive, and much more resistant to shock, temperature, etc.

    To the OP - Get an SSD in there ASAP. Good 1TB SSD's are only $320 if you want to maintain size, or a lot less if you are OK with ~256GB.
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    Patriot Wildfire at the moment, and it's actually lasted longer than I thought. My memory says I just replaced it a couple of years ago, but my Beyond search says it was almost six. I guess the failure of the first 3 just left a long lasting impression, lol.

    It feels like yesterday I built the fricking computer, god damn kids fucking up my memory timeline.

    Edit: Holy fuck, I built this thing just before for SW:TOR was released and that was over 7 years ago! No wonder it's starting to crash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    Good 1TB SSD's are only $320 if you want to maintain size, or a lot less if you are OK with ~256GB.
    My first SSD drive was about $350 and was 120GB. Good times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntan View Post
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    My first SSD drive was about $350 and was 120GB. Good times.
    Ya you can get a Crucial MX300 1TB right now for $320 which is a really good SSD for the price. I use them for photo storage, browsing thousands of RAW files is lightning fast. I also use them for dedicated Photoshop cache drives and unpacking huge downloads. They are so cheap now I will be almost all SSD soon.

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    I have an nvme laptop, I'm waiting for the Optane drives to go down in price. Should take about another 5 years.

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    NVME desktop here, running an OS off the Samsung 960 EVO 250gb.

    My go to setup is SSD for OS and regular platter drive for file storage. I'm a casual user so I don't access files on the regular but I wouldn't ever use a computer without a boot SSD.

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    I think SSD failures bias are from both ancient OS (Windows 7) and early chipset/firmware issues. It has not been an issue for SSD from 2014 and forward, in my experience.

    Even business class SSDs vs Spinners, I'm losing about 100 spinners for every 1 SSDs in the last 5 year. These are storage that get abused 24/7 hard.

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    How much memory do you have in the system? Sounds like you are running out of memory and your system is hitting the page file hard which in turn is making your hard drive chug along. SSD will help a bit but won't fix the underlying issue of lack of system memory.

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    ^ I'm leaning that way too. You can run windows fine on a mechanical drive, SSDs are an improvement but I don't think the ultimate solution here. The performance tab in task manager should show you what is getting maxed out, and resource monitor might help further narrow down the process(es) involved.

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    OP download a tool called CRYSTAL DISK INFO (not just MARK) , and see if the drive itself reports any errors. Even if not, running CHKDSK 1-2 times back to back will help deal with a lot of issues.

    This is ASSUMING of course, that your system is clean (no bugs or other programs needlessly running in the background).

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