USA Trade war.

[msommers]

I could eat a good Camembert every day if I could afford it. My body would certainly not be a temple but a wheel ready to take me to Delicious Town.

[ZenOps]

Quick factoid: "American style cheese" used to have the requirement of being at least 51% cheese by weight. Somewhere along the line, Kraft managed to remove the requirement.

As is "American cheese" is probably best termed as emulsified mild solids.

[suntan]

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Quotas or our requirement for pasteurization that many European cheeses don’t have?

Our standard for pasteurization is simply 60 days of aging.

The USA have much more stringent requirements.

The problem is that once your product is 245.5% more expensive, demand goes down.

[ZenOps]

https://www.milk.org/Corporate/Proce...ass_Table.aspx

For reference, just in case someday someone wants to actually get serious about it.

[suntan]

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Quick factoid: "American style cheese" used to have the requirement of being at least 51% cheese by weight. Somewhere along the line, Kraft managed to remove the requirement.

As is "American cheese" is probably best termed as emulsified mild solids.

Huh. Kraft actually changed the recipe in the States. Now it seems to be the same as Canada's.

They actually weren't called "American Cheese" for the longest time - they were literally just "Kraft Singles" down there.

Anything with the words "cheese product" or "style-cheese" means it doesn't meet the USDA standard for cheese BTW.

[Sugarphreak]

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[suntan]

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Consumerism is wealth transfer to producers, how do you think China got rich. They are the kings of subsidization, and they've gobbled up entire markets to themselves.

Besides, look at the positive side of this issue... dairy is horrible for your health. The last thing we need is people consuming more cheese because it is cheap, we already have obesity problems in Canada.

Look at the difference between US and Canada when it comes to average weight, I bet a lot of that can be contributed to subsidized dairy.

USA! USA! USA!

168 lbs for females. Absolutely disgusting.

[dirtsniffer]

Who needs nano bots when you have fingers.

I'm not looking to buy 1kg blocks of cheddar. I'm just sick of paying $20 for a decent size block of tasty cheese like primadonna or tallegio

[ZenOps]

I guess it depends on where you grew up, but it was always talked aboot as American cheese for me.


https://www.fooducate.com/app#!page=...D-A10CF3E0725B

* Pasteurized process cheese - contains 100% cheese
* Pasteurized process cheese food - contains at least 51% cheese.
* Pasteurized process cheese product - contains less than 51%

Although if anything is less than 51%, you might as well just call it what it is. Trump isn't letting it slide. He knows the power of Dairy, as does China. I'm still leery of radioactive cows of the 1960's.

[sabad66]

Saw this interesting stat posted by Ian Bremmer:

Average tariff rate on imported goods:

US: 1.6%
EU: 1.6%
Japan: 1.4%
Canada: 0.8%

(via World Bank)

[suntan]

Yeah, that's a fairly misleading stat. It's a trade-weighted tariff average.

[Supa Dexta]

'Canada does allow some tariff free imports - about 10%. This percentage has been increasing in recent years; CETA and the new TPP have whittled away a sizeable chunk of our dairy market. But get this: this 10% is more than double the amount that the USA allows. Say what??? Yes, you read that correctly. The US caps tariff free imports at about 2.75%. '

[rage2]

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There is more depth to this issue than that. I am not a fan of the dairy cartel in Canada, but I also recognize that US farmers/producers are massively subsidized to the point where they can basically flood the market with artificially cheap product

The US subsidies have pretty much ended. US farmers are fighting each other so hard on prices that margins are low, with many farms failing because of unforeseen difficulties for short amounts of time. They make up for it by exporting surplus. This causes fluctuations in prices. Canada doesn’t want that. They want stability. They want farmers to earn a good living (actually damn good living) subsidized by consumers. If there’s surplus milk, they rather dump it down the sewers to keep prices and profits in check. How fucked is that? Sure there’s stability, but we’re paying 4x the price elsewhere.

The last of the US subsidies, which was a consumer subsidy with the government cheese program ended long ago. Some tasty ass ghetto fake cheese if you’ve ever tried it back in the day.

[JRSC00LUDE]

I love the consistency of your passion for the cheese wars over the years.

[rage2]

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I love the consistency of your passion for the cheese wars over the years.

I’m passionate about food. I feel scammed for over half my life until the blinders were pulled off and I finally saw the light on cheese and beef outside Canada. The passion is driven by the anger that I’ve been robbed for so long.

[JRSC00LUDE]

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I’m passionate about food. I feel scammed for over half my life until the blinders were pulled off and I finally saw the light on cheese and beef outside Canada. The passion is driven by the anger that I’ve been robbed for so long.

You definitely changed my world view of beef.

[Supa Dexta]

Look at the outright pandering the PCs are doing by shuffling out Bernier. I'm sure it's just coincidence at the very moment that the liberals are being accused of being weak on dairy protection, the PCs pull a move where they can say 'look at us, we're so on your side we hold our own members to task'

[ZenOps]

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...ess-booms.html

China considering retaliatory tariff on lobster.

They are listening to me again, its already stupidly priced.

[racerocco]

Aging has nothing to do with pasteurization. All retail cheese made in Canada is required to be pasteurized, usually using an HTST system, requiring the product to be held at a specified temperature for a minimum time. This is why some of the exotic European cheese isn't legal here.

[suntan]

Anything over 60 days old is considered to be pasteurized, even if raw milk was used, according to Health Canada. Weaklings should avoid it.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-cana...d-milk.html#a2