RIP Nafta

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Looks like CRTC's protection of Canadian content is a sticking point as well. Trump now wants Canadian dairy and TV cartel dismantled for NAFTA to go through. That's like a dream scenario for me haha. I'll miss Nickelback on the radio though.

@flipstah just checking you know there's a TV cartel here too right? haha

Oh really?! Damn haha

[Xtrema]

Well, if we stop the cartel, the RoBelus will just vertically integrated with Comcast/Universal and AT&T/TW.

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I think it's that foreign companies can't own Canadian news organizations.

Media ownership is controlled by CRTC and blocks any foreign interests. This includes TV, internet, cell phone providers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_ownership_in_Canada

There's also Canadian content that's enforced on media companies to protect Canadian culture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content

This is why there's so much Nickelback and Bieber on the radio. This is why you hear of random shows that doesn't get broadcast in Canada and can only watch through illegal streams because taking on those shows will upset the CanCon requirements. This is why your favorite shows gets butchered when Canadian commercials are inserted over the US feed. This is why I pay $300 a month for DirecTV in my US residence.

I've been bitching about the CRTC since before beyond.

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Well, if we stop the cartel, the RoBelus will just vertically integrated with Comcast/Universal and AT&T/TW.

I can't tell you if that is a good thing or not, but what RoBelus and any other media company have been doing over the last 30+ years is criminal. They're literally printing money off prime time TV by charging us whatever the fuck they want while selling ad space. There is zero incentive to improve and it's the same shit since I've been into TV.

I'm still in the middle in regards to our wireless industry. On one hand, we pay the highest prices in the world for mobile internet. On the other hand, we have 3 companies that are top 5 world wide in terms of wireless network performance. It makes US wireless internet feel 10 years old.

[suntan]

Rent seeking is the Canadian way.

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I'm a little surprised he targeted TV. By my estimation its definitely heading toward what digital music did, which is - next to free.

All they need is a small push, and a lot of stations could technically go back to OTA/Free to air over rabbit antennae. Netflix not only killed the VHS rental market, but its also heavily encroaching on specialized TV channels. If Crunchyroll was a little bit better, and sports channels weren't so greedy, no one would ever order a specialized TV channel.

[suntan]

Canadians were ready to give up dairy supply management. Unfortunately Freeman is a terrible strategist and negotiator, so it bit them in the ass.

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Canadians were ready to give up dairy supply management. Unfortunately Freeman is a terrible strategist and negotiator, so it bit them in the ass.

So your idea of good strategy and negotiating is just giving into whatever demands are made upon you by the other side without any concessions in return?

[Buster]

Negotiation isn't about anything but leverage.

[suntan]

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So your idea of good strategy and negotiating is just giving into whatever demands are made upon you by the other side without any concessions in return?

Do you also make side deals and then are surprised when the other partner makes side deals?

But in fact, making demands and not expecting concessions can work really, really well. I don't expect you to understand this, because you've never negotiated for anything that matters.

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But in fact, making demands and not expecting concessions can work really, really well. I don't expect you to understand this, because you've never negotiated for anything that matters.

Not only can it work out really well, but it’s best result if you’re negotiating (and the worst result if you’re on the other side). Which is why it’s what the US wanted. Which is why Canada had to walk away. What about this aren’t you getting?

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Not only can it work out really well, but it’s best result if you’re negotiating (and the worst result if you’re on the other side). Which is why it’s what the US wanted. Which is why Canada had to walk away. What about this aren’t you getting?

The G&M posted an article (paywall only) describing what has happened so far with the negotiations. You're way, way off base.

Come on, spend the $1.99/month.

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The G&M posted an article (paywall only) describing what has happened so far with the negotiations. You're way, way off base.

Come on, spend the $1.99/month.

Let's try to clear this up:

Canada tries to make deal by offering some concessions on dairy in exchange for the US backing off on their Chapter 19 demands.

US says no and wants all of their demands met.

Canada walks away.



So I ask again: do you think it's good negotiating to just give in to what the other side wants? Because that's exactly what you seem to think Freeland and co. to have done. What part of the negotiations were fucked up exactly?

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Canada tries to make deal by offering some concessions on dairy in exchange for the US backing off on their Chapter 19 demands.

But that is NOT what Canada did so you are arguing a stupid fucking hypothetical that hasn't occured.

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Also, Freeland hasn't done anything basically at all. Hence why we were stonewalled to begin with. Canada has no power.

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But that is NOT what Canada did so you are arguing a stupid fucking hypothetical that hasn't occured.

Canada offered more dairy access back in May, but wouldn't budge on Chapter 19.

The US wanted more dairy access and scrap Chapter 19, among other things.

Because of that deal, Mexico felt they were stabbed in the back and that's why they rushed to try and make this deal.

And now we're here.

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Canada offered more dairy access back in May, but wouldn't budge on Chapter 19.

The US wanted more dairy access and scrap Chapter 19, among other things.

Because of that deal, Mexico felt they were stabbed in the back and that's why they rushed to try and make this deal.

And now we're here.

Ya, that’s because Canada fucked the EU on imports. US isn’t falling for that.

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Negotiation isn't about anything but leverage.

I like this

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Ya, that’s because Canada fucked the EU on imports. US isn’t falling for that.

But Canada has no power to do anything like that.

[Buster]

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I like this

The truth hurts.

[dirtsniffer]

Agreement incoming

[pheoxs]

Apparently we raised US dairy imports from 3.2% to 5% (same as we agreed to other countries for TPP)
Chapter 19 stays word for word the same
Cap on auto exports but its beyond what we current export
Not much info if any IP stuff got changed which seems to be the big concern at the moment

Overall it all seems like really minor changes that won't affect anything and rebranding NAFTA to USMCA so Trump can say he won.