2018-2019 Winter tire discussion

[HiTempguy1]

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but not having the best tires possible

Your assumption that newer designs of tires are better/the newer design of a tire inherently means a better product is extremely poor logic. The companies do this so people like you will buy their "latest and greatest" product, even though (especially in the case of tires) many, many times in the tire market there has been a distinct trend of "new" designs being inferior to old designs.

[blownz]

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many, many times in the tire market there has been a distinct trend of "new" designs being inferior to old designs.

Really? Examples of this please.

Most of what I have seen the tires keep getting better. The only exception would be the high mileage tires with low rolling resistance where to make those "improvements" they make it handle or ride worse. But then they are still "better" for what those shoppers are looking for.

[vengie]

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Season 3 on my Toyo G3-ICE winters. They're wearing pretty well and still provide good traction. Wish I went with studs though as gf has Hakka 9's...

Same for me, except mine are studded.

Still rock solid

[HiTempguy1]

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Really? Examples of this please.

Blizzacks, nordfrost gislaved, general arctic altimaxes, xice, hakkas, all of them in the past 5 years have had instances where "new models" have been inferior to older ones. I'm not going to look up every instance of it for you.

You say "most of what you've seen". Well, I've seen and tested most of them

[tirebob]

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Blizzacks, nordfrost gislaved, general arctic altimaxes, xice, hakkas, all of them in the past 5 years have had instances where "new models" have been inferior to older ones. I'm not going to look up every instance of it for you.

You say "most of what you've seen". Well, I've seen and tested most of them

I wouldn't necessarily blanket statement this. With model changes there are always going to be improvements maybe in one way, but it will often come at the sacrifice of another aspect. Using Blizzaks as an example, as the compounds have advanced, they may provide a bit lower level of pure ice traction compared to some of the previous generation models, but now they have improved dramatically on the attainable mileage which was always people biggest complaint in the earlier days, so the new model provides more of a balance between high traction and better wear. Is that worse or better? That depends on what your personal preference is of course, but I would not say that it makes one worse than the other overall.

[max_boost]

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I wouldn't necessarily blanket statement this. With model changes there are always going to be improvements maybe in one way, but it will often come at the sacrifice of another aspect. Using Blizzaks as an example, as the compounds have advanced, they may provide a bit lower level of pure ice traction compared to some of the previous generation models, but now they have improved dramatically on the attainable mileage which was always people biggest complaint in the earlier days, so the new model provides more of a balance between high traction and better wear. Is that worse or better? That depends on what your personal preference is of course, but I would not say that it makes one worse than the other overall.

Agreed with bob.

The blizzaks are wearing much better compared to previous generations and can drive faster on them without that squishy feel. The winter traction is still excellent and that's probably a worthwhile trade off.

[Maxt]

Into my second winter on Nokian Rotiiva at's. I won't be buying another set, I'll be going back to Pirrelli scorpions for the next set. My truck is usually an unstoppable machine in any weather because of its heft, but on the nokian, it's been average at best. I am carrying my chains in the box for the first time in years now. The positive of keeping a vehicle so long and putting more than 450,000 kms on it, you sure learn what tire it likes and doesn't like. The next set will mean I will have purchased 54 tires for it since I've owned it.

[KrisYYC]

Good day all,

I've decided to buy winter tires for my econo-box commuter Chevy Cruze, however I've never bought winters before and would like some advice on which ones are good value, which to avoid etc. I've noticed the Canadian Tire Motomaster ones seem be a good price and get decent reviews online, but I'd like to hear from beyonders as well.

I don't put a ton of mileage on the car, about 12,000km/year and majority is on deerfoot during off-peak times. My area is mostly plowed too. So I'm thinking I might just get a good set of winters and just use them year round? Or do winters wear out a lot faster than all seasons?

I don't have a specific budget, I'll pay what it costs to get what I need, but obviously I don't want to go overboard and buy tires that are way overkill for my needs.

Any help is appreciated!

Kris

[J.M.]

https://forums.beyond.ca/threads/408...scussion/page9

[ExtraSlow]

Year round winters are a decent idea. Kal tire sells "all weather" tires that are a reasonable compromise too.

What size and bolt pattern do you need? I'm selling some winters right now fit cheap.

[max_boost]

Get a set of all weather tires. My girl uses Goodyear Assurance and said they worked really well for her during this recent storm. Another friend has said good things about Toyo Celsius. Good luck!

[KrisYYC]

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Year round winters are a decent idea. Kal tire sells "all weather" tires that are a reasonable compromise too.

What size and bolt pattern do you need? I'm selling some winters right now fit cheap.

P215/60R16 and bolt is 5x105mm I believe.


Thanks for the replies so far guys, looks like running them year round isn't an issue so that's good to hear. Considering the mileage I do in a year I'll probably just run them year round, and really we only get about 3 months a year where winter tire traction isn't really needed anyway

[bigbadboss101]

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Get a set of all weather tires. My girl uses Goodyear Assurance and said they worked really well for her during this recent storm. Another friend has said good things about Toyo Celsius. Good luck!

I saw the ratings on TireRack and was surprised about the GY Assurance WeatherReady. Was gonna get them but they were not in stock when I was there and ended up getting X Ice. I was there after we had that 2 days of bad weather and was a bit desperate and didn't want to wait. Of course the forecast is looking great for the next 2 weeks!

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surve....jsp?type=GTAS

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Definitely don’t get a dedicated winter if you plan to use them year round. Get an all weather tire.

[HiTempguy1]

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Definitely don’t get a dedicated winter if you plan to use them year round. Get an all weather tire.

I strongly disagree. Only 12k kms per year total, a set of winters would last OP 4 years of all season driving, except they'll actually work in the winter time vs no-seasons.

[revelations]

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I strongly disagree. Only 12k kms per year total, a set of winters would last OP 4 years of all season driving, except they'll actually work in the winter time vs no-seasons.

Yea this - you want the tires to handle the WORST of the roads out there, not trade off for ideal conditions.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

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I strongly disagree. Only 12k kms per year total, a set of winters would last OP 4 years of all season driving, except they'll actually work in the winter time vs no-seasons.

I personally disagree they will last that long with summer driving involved, not even the Champiros cab companies use wear well on hot summer days.

[phreezee]

Anyone swapping back for this week? Just got my winters on Friday as I booked the appointment in back in September lol.

[revelations]

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I personally disagree they will last that long with summer driving involved, not even the Champiros cab companies use wear well on hot summer days.

~6000kms in temps above 7c, annually, is nothing for winters.

[max_boost]

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I saw the ratings on TireRack and was surprised about the GY Assurance WeatherReady. Was gonna get them but they were not in stock when I was there and ended up getting X Ice. I was there after we had that 2 days of bad weather and was a bit desperate and didn't want to wait. Of course the forecast is looking great for the next 2 weeks!

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surve....jsp?type=GTAS

X-Ice is good. Tread life is excellent compared to the Blizzaks.

Yes. She loves the tires so bonus points for me

You are correct out of stock so I ordered mine from Quattro tires in Que and took 1 week.

As for running winters year round, I would still opt for all weather year round.