2018-2019 Winter tire discussion

[revelations]

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I feel like you and I have this argument a few times a year. Let's just hug it out bro.

sweeeeeet ..... !! lol

[revelations]

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WTF? I have shit iPike RW11s on my Fiesta and I never had anything like that ever happen to me.

Yea I thought it was because I had cheap studless, so I spent some $$$ on Continental ExtremeWintercontact tires and looked up various car forums where people talked about this as well.

Nope - never again. The sight of seeing a shiny, polished intersection always pissed me off as I spent good $$ on what was supposed to be good studless tires which performed no better.

lol it was so bad that - I had to check that the (directional) tires were mounted on correctly! the previous cheap studless were mounted on backwards .....

[ExtraSlow]

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sweeeeeet ..... !! lol

Hugs and vodka. it'll be great.

[revelations]

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Hugs and vodka. it'll be great.

thats how I get through the coldest/darkest days of early February

[max_boost]

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I swear some people need less traction and they'd drive more carefully and get in fewer accidents. I also think AWD CAUSES accidents in slippery conditions because the driver is unaware of how slippery it really is.

So shitty drivers will be shitty drivers regardless what tires they are rolling with right

[ExtraSlow]

I'd settle for the shittiest drivers to at least be too scared to drive when it's icy out.

[max_boost]

Why not make it 10x tougher to get your license? mandatory winter driving experience, make the tests $1000 lol Was it Mikko? You guys remember that Finnish member from the early days?

[Mitsu3000gt]

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I'd settle for the shittiest drivers to at least be too scared to drive when it's icy out.

4X4 bro, don't need those winter tires......

[jonsey737]

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Find the cheapest studdable tires you can - its a night and day difference in average winter braking and turning performance going from expensive studless to cheap studded - and this is not even in icy conditions.

Expensive studded tires makes you an Aspen-crowd, winter driving god that can do no wrong.

Tirebob set me up with some Studded Federal Himalayas and I was unstoppable with AWD.

I sold my TL for a truck and managed to find some one season old DM-V2s on OEM wheels for a really good price back in August. So it's back to studdless for me this year.

[revelations]

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4X4 bro, don't need those winter tires......

lifted yo - everyone knows 4x4 helps to stop and steer as well!!!!! /s

[Mitsu3000gt]

Is there a calculatable crossover point for winter tires (based on the weight of your vehicle) where a narrower tire always outweighs any benefits from a wider tire with a larger contact area or vise versa? I understand that narrower is typically preferable for Winter tires but I am wondering if there is a specific point where that becomes true / not true.

[tirebob]

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Is there a calculatable crossover point for winter tires (based on the weight of your vehicle) where a narrower tire always outweighs any benefits from a wider tire with a larger contact area or vise versa? I understand that narrower is typically preferable for Winter tires but I am wondering if there is a specific point where that becomes true / not true.

No is the easy answer... Everything is calculable, but environments vary and even in the same environment, seasons vary year to year. You just gotta buy it based on the basics in that regard. If you are more worried about snow traction, go narrower. It is of course beneficial in the amount of pounds per square inch speed across the surface area of the tread face, but it also benefits with less plowing in front of the tire when pushing snow. You can absolutely over think things just as much as not giving things enough thought. Happy medium is more the goal with this.

[suntan]

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Yea I thought it was because I had cheap studless, so I spent some $$$ on Continental ExtremeWintercontact tires and looked up various car forums where people talked about this as well.

Nope - never again. The sight of seeing a shiny, polished intersection always pissed me off as I spent good $$ on what was supposed to be good studless tires which performed no better.

lol it was so bad that - I had to check that the (directional) tires were mounted on correctly! the previous cheap studless were mounted on backwards .....

I had some sort of Conti winter tire. Wasn’t too impressed. Terrible on ice. I actually slid straight through an intersection with them. Could not stop at all. Luckily everyone noticed (I honked the whole way through) and so I made it through in one piece.

[Mitsu3000gt]

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No is the easy answer... Everything is calculable, but environments vary and even in the same environment, seasons vary year to year. You just gotta buy it based on the basics in that regard. If you are more worried about snow traction, go narrower. It is of course beneficial in the amount of pounds per square inch speed across the surface area of the tread face, but it also benefits with less plowing in front of the tire when pushing snow. You can absolutely over think things just as much as not giving things enough thought. Happy medium is more the goal with this.

Sounds reasonable, thanks Bob!

[dj_rice]

does @tirebob have any experience with those Himalaya Inverno?

[tirebob]

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does @tirebob have any experience with those Himalaya Inverno?

I did use the Inverno for a season on my F150 and they did decent enough. The WS2 is more aggressive but the Inverno held up fine for the compact snow/icy stuff. Kind of like a Latitude Xi2 in snow with not quite as good of compounding for deeper cold and ice. Bang for buck it was not a disappointment.

[Sentry]

Ive been buying cheapest possible studdable winter tires, driving them for two winters, and then selling on kijiji for 80% of my cost and buying brand new again. Been doing this a decade and it works out to about 100 bucks a year to have tires that are brand new or one year old at most. And studs are a must for me, those January ice days are brutal. Also I think Ive driven RWD for 6 or 7 of those years lol. It was manageable and fun drifting everywhere, but being able to zoom away from everyone at lights with AWD is just better.

[ThePenIsMightier]

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I'd settle for the shittiest drivers to at least be too scared to drive when it's icy out.

OmG this!!
Instead, it's what many (not me) refer to as "Somalian Bumper Cars" on MacLeod Trail.
At a blazing 25km/h because their bald R-compound tires are the premium choice for winter.

[Sentry]

@tirebob What are these lads running? Hankook iPike? Westlakes?

[dj_rice]

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I did use the Inverno for a season on my F150 and they did decent enough. The WS2 is more aggressive but the Inverno held up fine for the compact snow/icy stuff. Kind of like a Latitude Xi2 in snow with not quite as good of compounding for deeper cold and ice. Bang for buck it was not a disappointment.

Don't think they make WS2 in my size, only the Inverno show up on my search. Thanks for your input, I might give them a try. Cost on them is cheap @ $145/tire in my 245/55R19 sizing