People's Party of Canada (Maxime Bernier)?

[HiTempguy1]

So I've been following this with interest (I am sure you are all surprised). My main question is this:

Will the PPC guarantee the Liberal's win?

I'm asking from a strictly mathematical viewpoint. We have Conservatives, we have Liberals, we have NDP, and we have PQ (and one solitary "Green").

So one centre right party, and then increasing severity of leftist parties (with the PQ being a nationalist/populist party before populist parties were actually a thing, and considering how much they like the nanny-state, I'd argue more left than right in ideology).

What I personally would LOVE to see is a Conservative minority gov strongly supported by the PPC.

Of course, this is a similiar situation to what happened in Alberta, people wanted an NDP minority and look what happened.

I don't think Canada will be worth living in if the Liberals are in for another 4-5 years with a majority, in fact, I fear for us becoming a country like France with high unemployment, lackluster economic growth, and no opportunities for the young while bringing in ever greater amounts of refugees that leech off the system. Hell, replace the immigration issue with just providing way too much social services at extraordinary costs for people already here, that's enough to ruin us.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Absolutely anyone would be better than the feeble intellect of Trudeau. Even the s(c)heer disappointment that is heading the Conservatives. I don't even think the NDP could fuck this Country over as bad as this idiot (Trudeau). Bernier is right about so many things but, it was wrong of him to splinter off at this point. Just like it was wrong of Scheer to malign him for having serviceable ideas.

[ExtraSlow]

I don't know, but I am an election geek, so I will be following this.

[revelations]

The Reform party was a grass roots, Westernized movement, which helped out the Chretien Liberals by splitting the right vote.

Is there a similar movement in Eastern Canada, or is this just one persons idea?

With clowns like Trudeau, its not difficult to see voters swinging far to the opposite direction - however moderation is the best answer on a long term scale.

[Masked Bandit]

The creation of the PPC is the best thing that ever happened to the Liberals and it makes me sick to think about it. I like Maxime Bernier as a leader and I wish he would have beat Scheer but this second party is going to split the right. The NDP are dead in the water so the Liberals have everything on the left.

[Buster]

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So I've been following this with interest (I am sure you are all surprised). My main question is this:

Will the PPC guarantee the Liberal's win?

I'm asking from a strictly mathematical viewpoint. We have Conservatives, we have Liberals, we have NDP, and we have PQ (and one solitary "Green").

So one centre right party, and then increasing severity of leftist parties (with the PQ being a nationalist/populist party before populist parties were actually a thing, and considering how much they like the nanny-state, I'd argue more left than right in ideology).

What I personally would LOVE to see is a Conservative minority gov strongly supported by the PPC.

Of course, this is a similiar situation to what happened in Alberta, people wanted an NDP minority and look what happened.

I don't think Canada will be worth living in if the Liberals are in for another 4-5 years with a majority, in fact, I fear for us becoming a country like France with high unemployment, lackluster economic growth, and no opportunities for the young while bringing in ever greater amounts of refugees that leech off the system. Hell, replace the immigration issue with just providing way too much social services at extraordinary costs for people already here, that's enough to ruin us.

I like your optimism. But my view in the last year or so has changed. I dont think Canada is redeemable at this point. It's too far gone.

[ZenOps]

I'm voting for our robot overlords. Humans are weak.

[Xtrema]

If PPC can get off the ground, I think its basically handed Quebec over to the Liberals and hence keeping Liberals in power.

I don't see how Sheer or NDP can win anything in Quebec at this point. PQ lost its mojo and I don't see it getting it back any time soon. And I don't know if PQ and PPC will share the same base or not.

Only Ontario and Quebec matters. Sheer will now have to completely wipe Liberals out of Ontario and I don't know Ford's antics are helping or not to the Conservative brand.

2019 will be interesting.

[kertejud2]

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Sheer will now have to completely wipe Liberals out of Ontario and I don't know Ford's antics are helping or not to the Conservative brand.

Scheer is the one hurting the Conservative brand in Ontario.

[95EagleAWD]

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Scheer is the one hurting the Conservative brand in Ontario.

No, Doug Ford is doing a fine, fine job as well.

[Tik-Tok]

Bernier knows he cant win the next election, its not like this is a spur of the moment temper tantrum decision. He's planning long term, and the Liberals getting back into a majority government only strengthens the new parties chances for 2023.

At the cost of the rest of us suffering Trudeau for another 4 years.

[Xtrema]

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Scheer is the one hurting the Conservative brand in Ontario.

I thought Scheer was doing fine when all Harper cronies left the party and the party is going back toward the center (or as center as a non-progressive party could be).

[HiTempguy1]

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If PPC can get off the ground, I think its basically handed Quebec over to the Liberals and hence keeping Liberals in power.

You are crazy and have no idea what you are talking about. An anti-immigrant, pro "nationalist" (well, pro-Quebecois) party is likely to gain power there in the provincial election. The issue a lot of Quebecois will have voting PPC is its stance on protectionism/unions/free trade, but being started and ran by a Quebecer to begin with helps sell the party there.

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Scheer is the one hurting the Conservative brand in Ontario.

LOL

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No, Doug Ford is doing a fine, fine job as well.

Double LOL. People love Ford, he's the greatest thing to happen to any of the provinces in a very long time.

Always fun when the liberal leg humpers come out of the woodwork

[Xtrema]

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You are crazy and have no idea what you are talking about. An anti-immigrant, pro "nationalist" (well, pro-Quebecois) party is likely to gain power there in the provincial election. The issue a lot of Quebecois will have voting PPC is its stance on protectionism/unions/free trade, but being started and ran by a Quebecer to begin with helps sell the party there.

77 seats - 7 occupied by PQ, 11 by Cons, 15 by NDP, 1 by PPC, 43 by Libs

Now NDP got 15 because of Mulcair. I don't think NDP is doing well right now in Quebec with Singh (just a feeling). So where do you think NDP voters going to go? By election already show a sign that NDP drop from 38% to 30% to just 9% under Singh.

You now have 2 extreme right parties and 1 "moderate" right party. Even if PPC replaces either PQ or Cons, that still vote split of 2 parties. Say PPC REPLACES both Cons and PQ, then PPC may have a chance if the provincial election poll is any indication.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/que...te-anglophones
CAQ = PPC in this case.

Either way, Liberals seems to enjoy a 30% base line in Quebec. So the it's all about how united the rights are.

[kertejud2]

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No, Doug Ford is doing a fine, fine job as well.

It's the brand across the country he's hurting, he's still in his honeymoon period in Ontario. Getting to announce big things and not worrying about the consequences and other typical Ford grandstanding.

Cons are happy about his war on sex education, sticking it to Toronto, and love of subways. Going up against education, the country's largest city and the province's economic powerhouse, and unnecessary spending projects have never been an issue for government's before though.

[kertejud2]

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I thought Scheer was doing fine when all Harper cronies left the party and the party is going back toward the center (or as center as a non-progressive party could be).

Trouble is he gave the people Harper and his cronies worked so hard to shut up a voice, allowing social conservatives the chance for some time in the spotlight, while alienating others.

The Conservative convention really hurt the party by emboldening the likes of Bernier and his supporters, alienating younger conservatives, and giving free headlines to the opposition for embarrassingly close votes on abortion policy. With any split in the party, the CPC are going to be the ones left with the social whackos.

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WUT

[Tik-Tok]

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WUT

You honestly expect anything else? The previous PC government had ample opportunity to legalize it, and refused to even acknowledge the suggestion.

[Darell_n]

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You honestly expect anything else? The previous PC government had ample opportunity to legalize it, and refused to even acknowledge the suggestion.

Wasn't there a Nanos survey recently that showed 80% of the respondents didn't give a shit if it's legalized or not? I fall in that category, but like everything else in society, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[HiTempguy1]

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WUT

The #1 argument for it being legalized was "taking it out of the hands of criminals" and "all the tax revenue it would bring in".

Recent reports have shown that legal weed will provide about NET zero dollars to the government at provincial and federal levels. As for the "taking it out of the hands of criminals", sounds to me like people dealing are still dealing, and that pricing is more expensive legally vs illegally, because DUH. Why do you think black market cigarettes are still a thing? The companies aren't earning money either, their valuations are LUDICROUSLY bogus and people are going to lose their shirts like people did with bitcoin.

It also may have major repercussions with our foreign affairs, not to mention smuggling out of Canada probably will become a huge criminal market. Not to mention the unknown health affects, nor the grossly incompetent handling of the safety file in regards to traffic and workplace safety the Liberals have done.

So yea, if it all goes to shit, I 100% support the conservatives walking it back. Really, the only change is all of your pot smokers can now self medicate and feel good that its legal.

Meh.