ITR Becoming a Collectable

[HiTempguy1]

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but how can someone not understand why other would not drive their cars all the time?

I get the reasoning. I just, PERSONALLY, think the reasoning is illogical.

And I disagree strongly with "most Integra parts are discountinued". I can build an Integra from the ground up from a bare shell with practically every single part being purchased new. Yes, ITR parts aren't available because so few were made, not a lot of parts were available. What I said was, I can BUILD a better Integra than a ITR.

[sabad66]

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hate to break it to you but they are already on the collectors market and going up significantly in value; once again BaT helps haha

https://bringatrailer.com/honda/prelude/

a nice example live right now 61k miles type sh 5 speed $9800 USD!!! i'm guessing this one will finish at about $11,500......

damn, it's already begun. thanks for the heads up about BaT. have never seen this site before but seems like a good place to find niche vehicles in good shape.

[4WARNED]

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damn, it's already begun. thanks for the heads up about BaT. have never seen this site before but seems like a good place to find niche vehicles in good shape.

That site has put so many purchase and/or flip quick ideas in my head....it's a game amongst my circle of work buddies to figure out what the next sky rocketing car will be.

my short list of cars that will be worth some bucks (but good luck trying to find one at a reasonable price or one with NO MODIFICATIONS and LHD).

early 90's twin turbo 300ZX
Early 90's MR2 turbo
90-93 Eagle talon TSI awd
87-93 5.0L Mustang GT (and similar year IROC's and trans ams with the 5.7)

It's no different than the muscle car boom - guys were in highschool when these cars came out and couldn't get them back then...but are willing to pay top dollar to get them now.

Disclaimer - i can't afford those german cars (P, BMW, Merc, etc.) so my list is biased by my wallet/exposure.

[Hallowed_point]

I think these LT4 4th gen f bodies will see a jump. Prices are already quite high. I think it's the sweet spot before muscle cars became too heavy or loaded up with safety features.



https://www.motortrend.com/news/1997-pontiac-firehawk/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYTynXyOAXU

[Maxx Mazda]

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I think these LT4 4th gen f bodies will see a jump. Prices are already quite high. I think it's the sweet spot before muscle cars became too heavy or loaded up with safety features.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/1997-pontiac-firehawk/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYTynXyOAXU

I remember building a 1/24 scale model of a fire hawk when I was a kid. Such a mint car.

[Hallowed_point]

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I get the reasoning. I just, PERSONALLY, think the reasoning is illogical.

And I disagree strongly with "most Integra parts are discountinued". I can build an Integra from the ground up from a bare shell with practically every single part being purchased new. Yes, ITR parts aren't available because so few were made, not a lot of parts were available. What I said was, I can BUILD a better Integra than a ITR.

I agree with you. I have a somewhat "rare" car as they made 2,950 Camaro SS cars in 1997 of which only 161 had t tops with Level 2 suspension. I don't winter drive it, but have put 8,000 kms on it in less than 6 months. I find most problems occur with cars when you let them sit (oil leaks, flat spots in tires, ac stops working etc.) I'm still hesitant to do internal engine work as I'd like to preserve the value, but I also realize that it's not in concourse condition and it's a niche market. I think it's kinda nerdy to not drive a car just for the sake of "investment value."

[ShermanEF9]

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I get the reasoning. I just, PERSONALLY, think the reasoning is illogical.

And I disagree strongly with "most Integra parts are discountinued". I can build an Integra from the ground up from a bare shell with practically every single part being purchased new. Yes, ITR parts aren't available because so few were made, not a lot of parts were available. What I said was, I can BUILD a better Integra than a ITR.

Even discontinued parts doesn't matter. it shares a ton with the civic sir/si/normal person, and the GSR, GS, RS, LS integras. anything that doesn't fit off any of those, you can still find loads of parts online. they don't have anything wildly different from those.

I also don't see how one selling for an outrageous amount of money makes it collectable. maybe, MAYBE a super clean OEM example with like 5km and 0 farts in the seat, but not any from this province.

[88CRX]

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I get the reasoning. I just, PERSONALLY, think the reasoning is illogical.

And I disagree strongly with "most Integra parts are discountinued". I can build an Integra from the ground up from a bare shell with practically every single part being purchased new. Yes, ITR parts aren't available because so few were made, not a lot of parts were available. What I said was, I can BUILD a better Integra than a ITR.

Better as in faster in the 1/4 mile or around a track? Big deal.

People want OEM, stock, low km, original examples. Not modded/riced out base integras.

[Sugarphreak]

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[rage2]

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I've actually been wondering how the ITR compares with the new Civic Type R

I know they are from two totally different worlds, but if you were to ignore that and just focus on the fun factor above all else, would the ITR be more fun than the new Type-R?

Depends what your values are for fun. ITR isn’t as fast in straight line or corners, but it’s more responsive on throttle and handling. Shit that ITR is good at doesn’t translate to lap times at all.

[ExtraSlow]

The old ITR probably feels faster though. So much lighter that you'd feel and hear every pebble on the road.

Newer cars are quieter and better isolated.

[A2VR6]

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I've actually been wondering how the ITR compares with the new Civic Type R

I know they are from two totally different worlds, but if you were to ignore that and just focus on the fun factor above all else, would the ITR be more fun than the new Type-R?

ITR is much more raw than the CTR. The two cars couldnt be more different. If I had to pick a car to drive once a week for an hour id say the ITR. But as an everyday car the CTR blows it out of the water. Maybe im getting old but I find I get tired if I drive the ITR for more than an hour at a time.

The ITR's steering is far superior as well as the visibility and driving position. I actually dont find the turbo lag that bad on the CTR but the ITR being NA does have better throttle response. However after driving the ITR/CTR back to back you really notice the lack of power in the ITR. The CTR pulls like a freight train in comparison to the ITR. The ride quality/seats/usability are superior in the CTR. The CTR definitely feels much faster than the ITR

[88CRX]

Figured you’d chime in.

Being able to drive them back to back

[gpomp]

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I've actually been wondering how the ITR compares with the new Civic Type R

I know they are from two totally different worlds, but if you were to ignore that and just focus on the fun factor above all else, would the ITR be more fun than the new Type-R?

Other than sharing the Type R badge, the two cars are very different.

The CTR isn't a modern day ITR, the Fiesta ST is.

[moyz]

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[mr2mike]

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It's no different than the muscle car boom - guys were in highschool when these cars came out and couldn't get them back then...but are willing to pay top dollar to get them now.

^^^ This.

Also the daily drivers that everyone had then suddenly, they're all rusted and in the junk yard and you held yours for 30 years in the garage to sell it for $20K beyond asking.

[HiTempguy1]

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Better as in faster in the 1/4 mile or around a track? Big deal.

People want OEM, stock, low km, original examples. Not modded/riced out base integras.

No, better as in every objective measure of "better" in a car. You can recreate the raw feel of an ITR while still making a car that excels in other areas. End of the day, the ITR was based on a chassis and technology developed in the late 80's/early 90's.

You can make a lighter, less nvh, faster, and better handling integra than an ITR.

I get that there is desirability in having that pure experience of the original unmolested, but then you need to drive it, which defeats the purpose of it being a collectible because putting mileage on it makes it not as valuable. It is literally the "marry a pornstar and don't fuck her so she's fresh for her next husband". The allure of cars is DRIVING them. That's their purpose, is mobility.

See what I mean? Zero logic. For the price, you can make a "ITR+" better, and I'd bet cheaper. And then you can drive the piss out of it anytime you want, not worrying about its collectible value.

Truly, owning any vehicle for its collectible value is a #FWP.

I also think its a terrible investment in general. Very few people get lucky to have a car in their possession that rapidly appreciates in value, but even if they do it ties up a decent amount of cash in an item that is not easily sold.

[Hallowed_point]

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No, better as in every objective measure of "better" in a car. You can recreate the raw feel of an ITR while still making a car that excels in other areas. End of the day, the ITR was based on a chassis and technology developed in the late 80's/early 90's.

You can make a lighter, less nvh, faster, and better handling integra than an ITR.

I get that there is desirability in having that pure experience of the original unmolested, but then you need to drive it, which defeats the purpose of it being a collectible because putting mileage on it makes it not as valuable. It is literally the "marry a pornstar and don't fuck her so she's fresh for her next husband". The allure of cars is DRIVING them. That's their purpose, is mobility.

See what I mean? Zero logic. For the price, you can make a "ITR+" better, and I'd bet cheaper. And then you can drive the piss out of it anytime you want, not worrying about its collectible value.

Truly, owning any vehicle for its collectible value is a #FWP.

I also think its a terrible investment in general. Very few people get lucky to have a car in their possession that rapidly appreciates in value, but even if they do it ties up a decent amount of cash in an item that is not easily sold.

True. Even if your car is worth XX dollars, finding that buyer is no easy task. Everyone wants a mint car for low bucks. Cars are for driving as you say

[EK 2.0]

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See what I mean? Zero logic. For the price, you can make a "ITR+" better, and I'd bet cheaper. And then you can drive the piss out of it anytime you want, not worrying about its collectible value.

Truly, owning any vehicle for its collectible value is a #FWP.

The same can be applied to a lot of hobbies/interests.

I have a sneaker collection that is always hovering around the 200-ish mark now that I have cut down...but a lot of them have never seen the light of the day since I brought them home from the store....Some people just want to keep...not to use...

We look at cars and wanna enjoy them. Some look at them as pieces of "art" they wanna keep pristine and clean....

[98type_r]

I sure do miss mine, but I put 8 years and 180,000 km on it. It was a blast to drive, even on a couple of roadtrips to Vancouver.