Inexpensive Electric Cars - All brands discussion.

[C4S]

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Home Chargers:


Basically with a Level 2 220V charger, you're good to go for nightly top ups.

So .. mean 26.5 hour to charge the Tesla P100? and $395 plug in means?



I still think if I want to save money on gas .. go Hybrid .. (have two self charging Hybrid now .. but not really because of saving gas.. lovely! )

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So .. mean 26.5 hour to charge the Tesla P100? and $395 plug in means?

Hard wire is a new 240v line to your garage that powers your charger. Plug in is a charger that plugs into a 240V socket. Since almost nobody has 240v to their garage, you would go hard wire because it would be stupid to run a line and plug into garage to use your charger unless you have a need for 240v service in the garage.

Since you’re running a new line, it would make no sense to go with the lowest 16a that charges in 26.5h. You would go as high as you can. 48a on a 60a breaker is what most Tesla owners go with for their charging setup, which fully charges a P100 in 8.5 hrs. No other EV on this list can charge at that rate, but it’s always better to future proof.

[ExtraSlow]

Any vehicle in my family would have at least 14 hours 7 nights a week to charge, so we could probably get by with the lowest charge level particularly with one of the smaller EV's. That's a really cool chart, and shows the value of the higher amperage charging options of you have the larger battery packs and plan to use the entire range every day.

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Any vehicle in my family would have at least 14 hours 7 nights a week to charge, so we could probably get by with the lowest charge level particularly with one of the smaller EV's. That's a really cool chart, and shows the value of the higher amperage charging options of you have the larger battery packs and plan to use the entire range every day.

Lower amperage charge also minimizes battery degradation. In Tesla’s you can set max charge rate. Not sure about other EVs.

[ExtraSlow]

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Lower amperage charge also minimizes battery degradation. In Tesla’s you can set max charge rate. Not sure about other EVs.

Would be trivial to build a button into the charger so you could switch between fastest charge and some preset lower amperage.

[nzwasp]

Do all these electric vehicles use the same plug to charge or does every brand have their own proprietary charging attachment?

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Do all these electric vehicles use the same plug to charge or does every brand have their own proprietary charging attachment?

SAE combo is winning out as standard. From that list it’s an additional mix of chademo (Japanese brands), and Tesla proprietary. Tesla’s can do SAE combo with an adapter IIRC.

[thinmyster]

What do you guys think of he new A3 sportback e-tron? I think it has a 28mile Ev range

[ExtraSlow]

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What do you guys think of he new A3 sportback e-tron? I think it has a 28mile Ev range

It's a hybrid, so not quite the same, but yeah it's electric only range is short, like most hybrids. Also a bit more expensive than others in this discussion, as it's over 40k to start and close to 50k with a few options.

[ercchry]

I always though converting a little old, light and under powered classic would be a fun summer city runabout

[16hypen3sp]

Been looking at a Chev Bolt EUV. We'd probably order one if we went ahead with it. It would be for my wife as a daily. Charge at home and at work as I think her new shop has outdoor plugs.

Not exactly sure how winter would go... but I am somewhat interested.

Any other words of wisdom?

[ExtraSlow]

I'd cross shop with the Kona EV. Are either in stock anywhere or have reasonable delivery times?
For city use I think winter will be no issue. Whichever has the cleverest pre-heat system will be most comfortable in real cold weather, but city range should be no problem even in the coldest weather.

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I would never consider a full EV if you are doing any sort of distance driving, too risky in Canada. A hybrid is still my #1 pick.

[16hypen3sp]

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I'd cross shop with the Kona EV. Are either in stock anywhere or have reasonable delivery times?
For city use I think winter will be no issue. Whichever has the cleverest pre-heat system will be most comfortable in real cold weather, but city range should be no problem even in the coldest weather.

Yah there's a quite a bit of research to do in order to grasp what exactly one is getting themselves into with a full EV.

My biggest concern is charging during -45C. But I appears most of these EV's have a battery warming system that tries to get the battery warm or at least help it combat the cold temps in some form. Wasn't sure what kinds of battery/range degradation the battery would see from charging in super cold weather like that.

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I would never consider a full EV if you are doing any sort of distance driving, too risky in Canada. A hybrid is still my #1 pick.

I somewhat agree. You'd have to do much more route planning and hope infrastructure is available when you get there.

But in this case, it would be her daily in and around the Red Deer area. Shouldn't be an issue. Long trips, we'd be using ICE.

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My biggest concern is charging during -45C. But I appears most of these EV's have a battery warming system that tries to get the battery warm or at least help it combat the cold temps in some form. Wasn't sure what kinds of battery/range degradation the battery would see from charging in super cold weather like that.

From everything I've researched. Assume you get half the range in our coldest months.

[16hypen3sp]

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From everything I've researched. Assume you get half the range in our coldest months.

Yah. I'm thinking the same.

[killramos]

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Yah there's a quite a bit of research to do in order to grasp what exactly one is getting themselves into with a full EV.

My biggest concern is charging during -45C. But I appears most of these EV's have a battery warming system that tries to get the battery warm or at least help it combat the cold temps in some form. Wasn't sure what kinds of battery/range degradation the battery would see from charging in super cold weather like that.



I somewhat agree. You'd have to do much more route planning and hope infrastructure is available when you get there.

But in this case, it would be her daily in and around the Red Deer area. Shouldn't be an issue. Long trips, we'd be using ICE.

Do you have somewhere indoors (preferably heated) to consistently park your EV? I only ask because you seem concerned about -45C temps.

You really shouldn’t buy an EV if you consistently store it outside.

[16hypen3sp]

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Do you have somewhere indoors (preferably heated) to consistently park your EV? I only ask because you seem concerned about -45C temps.

You really shouldn’t buy an EV if you consistently store it outside.

I can deal with it at home, but when she's at work or out and about, that's a different story.

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Lower amperage charge also minimizes battery degradation. In Tesla’s you can set max charge rate. Not sure about other EVs.

I have mine set to charge to 75% max for my home to work commute to keep the battery consistently in the 50-75% range. I may have to change things up in the winter months.

[The_Rural_Juror]

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I can deal with it at home, but when she's at work or out and about, that's a different story.

Which ones have you driven?