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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Rural_Juror View Post
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    I really need to know which big bad company is getting rich off spreading flu vaccine lies. I want to be a shareholder damn it.
    Ummm, the company that makes the vaccine and sells it by the boat load to the government. Not sure if you're familiar with capitalism? I don't know who said anything about companies lying? I might have missed that. But they are companies in the business of making profit, the same sort of companies that make millions by selling you a headache pill that also gives you liver failure or whatever. As such they will market their product however need be to create sales.

    If you want to be a shareholder just look up what Donald Rumsfeld is a big shareholder in, he makes millions from flu vaccines. (Hint- It's called Gilead Sciences.)

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    Last year, less than 30 per cent of Albertans got immunized; 92 people died and 3,047 were admitted to hospital.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tion-1.4914313
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    You realize you are talking to the guy who made his own furniture out of salad bowls right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    What would the head of emergency medicine know anyway? I know a guy who knows a guy who who didn't get the shot one time and didn't get sick so....yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    What would the head of emergency medicine know anyway? I know a guy who knows a guy who who didn't get the shot one time and didn't get sick so....yeah.
    Damed shills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    More devils advocate. I like it.

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    I have an issue with the way they throw around number honestly. 3000+ people admitted to hospital for example... They make it sound like 3000 people are layed up in the hospital on deaths door when in reality it is 3000+ people who went to an ER rather than their family doctor and they were seen by an ER doctor and sent home. They called that "admitted to hospital". Same with the death numbers... "92 people died" is more like the vast majority were already on deaths door and the flu was just the final nail in the coffin. It isn't people just running around today living life and dying tomorrow.

    Fuck they sound like the environmentalists who report that a pipeline leaked oil. Oh we lost 250 gallons but it sounds way better to say we lost 1000 liters. Shit, soon they will be saying that they lost a million milliliters! lol

    Fuck I just wish there was no self serving reporting and we could all count on the facts rather than the facts being manipulated and mislead to serve an agenda and sway opinion.
    *DISCLAIMER* - I am saying all sides do this and not just blaming one group!

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    I don't think an ER visit counts as being admitted to hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    I don't think an ER visit counts as being admitted to hospital.

    Sure it does... Being admitted means seen by a doctor on facility. Not just spending the night. At least my doctor clients claim so. I have posed the exact questions on multiple occasions. That being said it absolutely could be admitted longer term, not necessarily. Many agree too the the flu panic is irrational.


    Edit - This actually proves my point in that people don't always know what the numbers mean that are being thrown around. They just use buzz words that trigger emotional responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tirebob View Post
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    Sure it does... Being admitted means seen by a doctor on facility. Not just spending the night. At least my doctor clients claim so. I have posed the exact questions on multiple occasions. That being said it absolutely could be admitted longer term, not necessarily. Many agree too the the flu panic is irrational.


    Edit - This actually proves my point in that people don't always know what the numbers mean that are being thrown around. They just use buzz words that trigger emotional responses.
    Yeah as soon as you get that wristband with your name on it, you're "admitted". You can't even speak to a doctor in emerg until you've been admitted.

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    Back to work after being off for several days with a nasty cold. After asking how I'm doing just about everyone asks "Did you get your flu shot?". The amount of people who think a cold and a flu are the same thing seems to increase every year. The fact that pharmaceutical companies label their meds as 'Cold and Flu' really muddies the water there I'm sure. I think I'll just start saying I had rhinovirus and see if that stops them in their tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterman View Post
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    Yeah as soon as you get that wristband with your name on it, you're "admitted". You can't even speak to a doctor in emerg until you've been admitted.
    I don't mind derailing this thread, because it's my thread and I feel anyone who needed information has it by this point. But I've been going through my kids medical history with various specialists a lot lately, and they always ask if she's been admitted into a hospital. I mention several emergency room visits with her, and they always tell me that those don't count as "being admitted". I dunno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swank View Post
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    Back to work after being off for several days with a nasty cold. After asking how I'm doing just about everyone asks "Did you get your flu shot?". The amount of people who think a cold and a flu are the same thing seems to increase every year. The fact that pharmaceutical companies label their meds as 'Cold and Flu' really muddies the water there I'm sure. I think I'll just start saying I had rhinovirus and see if that stops them in their tracks.
    This thread is a prime example about how uneducated people are about the flu in general (I don't mean you). What you describe is also the #1 reason why people think they get the flu either because of or in spite of the flu shot. Just think about how many people get the flu shot, were protected from the flu but got a common cold, and then say to themselves "Screw this I am never getting the flu shot again - I still got sick". I work with about 10 of them haha.

    Most cold & flu symptoms are the same or similar, with the most common differentiation being a fever, so if the goal is to suppress symptoms, cold & flu is a reasonable term I think for the general public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tirebob View Post
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    I have an issue with the way they throw around number honestly.
    I came to post this. Tirebob and I don't often see eye to eye, but there it is. Sensationalized by the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sl888 View Post
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    Calgary also leads the way in hospitalizations, with 200 people compared to 48 in Edmonton and 290 across the rest of Alberta.
    Any correlation to the fact that more people in Calgary got the flu shot than Edmonton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tirebob View Post
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    I have an issue with the way they throw around number honestly. 3000+ people admitted to hospital for example... They make it sound like 3000 people are layed up in the hospital on deaths door when in reality it is 3000+ people who went to an ER rather than their family doctor and they were seen by an ER doctor and sent home. They called that "admitted to hospital". Same with the death numbers... "92 people died" is more like the vast majority were already on deaths door and the flu was just the final nail in the coffin. It isn't people just running around today living life and dying tomorrow.

    Fuck they sound like the environmentalists who report that a pipeline leaked oil. Oh we lost 250 gallons but it sounds way better to say we lost 1000 liters. Shit, soon they will be saying that they lost a million milliliters! lol

    Fuck I just wish there was no self serving reporting and we could all count on the facts rather than the facts being manipulated and mislead to serve an agenda and sway opinion.
    *DISCLAIMER* - I am saying all sides do this and not just blaming one group!
    Except that 3000 number is the number of people who tested positive for the Flu virus and were so sick they needed to be hospitalized. It is not the number of people that just showed up "sick" to a hospital. The media is not sensationalizing anything, you just don't believe the FACTS!

    Literally the first link on google: https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/5c88...ce-2018-17.pdf

    "To date in the 2017/18 season, the Provincial Laboratory for Public Health (ProvLab) has reported 9,013 labconfirmed
    influenza cases: 5,621 influenza A and 3,392 influenza B."
    "There have been 3,000 hospitalized influenza cases and 234 patients admitted to the ICU to date. The
    predominant subtype in hospitalized patients is Influenza A (H3N2)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikestypes View Post
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    Except that 3000 number is the number of people who tested positive for the Flu virus and were so sick they needed to be hospitalized. It is not the number of people that just showed up "sick" to a hospital. The media is not sensationalizing anything, you just don't believe the FACTS!

    Literally the first link on google: https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/5c88...ce-2018-17.pdf

    "To date in the 2017/18 season, the Provincial Laboratory for Public Health (ProvLab) has reported 9,013 labconfirmed
    influenza cases: 5,621 influenza A and 3,392 influenza B."
    "There have been 3,000 hospitalized influenza cases and 234 patients admitted to the ICU to date. The
    predominant subtype in hospitalized patients is Influenza A (H3N2)."
    It just goes against many of the "facts" (I use that term loosely because I don't subscribe to either sides versions of the facts) I hear constantly from many medical professionals I speak with on a regular basis. Not all agree mind you, but that goes to my point that there is no genuine 100 percent acceptable consensus to this arguement when even the professionals can't agree and the is too much financial gain to be had by those who are known to pay for opinion, however round-a-bout they get there. It isn't the flu shot per say I don't trust... It is the system pushing the shot I don't trust.

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    I don't know a single issue that has 100% consensus anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    I don't know a single issue that has 100% consensus anywhere.
    Of course not man, but the difference is a whole lot larger than 99 to 1... I would say by my completely unscientific assessment of the situation (my discussion with multiple health care professionals from doctors to nurses to lab workers etc) I wouldn't even call it 50/50 who subscribe to the "societal necessity" of a flu shot vs the do it if you want to or in specific situations it is a good idea mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraSlow View Post
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    I don't mind derailing this thread, because it's my thread and I feel anyone who needed information has it by this point. But I've been going through my kids medical history with various specialists a lot lately, and they always ask if she's been admitted into a hospital. I mention several emergency room visits with her, and they always tell me that those don't count as "being admitted". I dunno.
    You are correct. Misterman is spreading blatantly false information as per usual - if you look at his post History he is literally just a troll.

    If you’re admitted it means you are sent to a hospital unit. Showing up to the ER and seeing a doctor for 5 minutes does not mean you were admitted. The overwhelming majority of people are not admitted, obviously, as there is a very limited number of beds/rooms and most people who show up to the ER don’t have emergencies. Everyone who goes to the ER gets seen though, and obviously 100% of people aren’t admitted.

    Source: my GF has done ER triage at 2 of Calgary’s major hospitals for about 10 years now. She literally deals directly with dozens of people with the flu every day in flu season (the people that show up with symptoms are WAY higher than 3000), most are obviously not admitted let alone lab tested for flu - they are told to go home and rest, and are given education on the flu shot.

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    Sure it does... Being admitted means seen by a doctor on facility. Not just spending the night. At least my doctor clients claim so. I have posed the exact questions on multiple occasions. That being said it absolutely could be admitted longer term, not necessarily. Many agree too the the flu panic is irrational.


    Edit - This actually proves my point in that people don't always know what the numbers mean that are being thrown around. They just use buzz words that trigger emotional responses.

    That is actually not true - see above. If everyone who showed up to the ER got admitted it would be absolute chaos and there would be zero beds at all times. The majority of ER visitors are obviously non-emergencies, but they do all get seen if they want to wait. Most are sent home mere hours later and are never admitted even though they saw a doctor.
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