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    Quote Originally Posted by R-Audi View Post
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    As a side note.. I was always told to get separate insurance riders for high value items like jewelry, so there is no second guessing.
    Also, worth taking pictures of your garage or high value rooms every once in a while to prove ownership of items.
    Just to add to this - there are apps that make this SUPER easy.

    If you're an android user, google drive has a "scan" feature built right in and it's automatically cloud-saved.

    If you're an iOS user, I use "Scanner Pro". It is basically the same thing and lets you scan receipts/documents and photos of product boxes/serial numbers very quickly and can upload automatically to both Google Drive and iCloud.

    Whenever you buy something new, take 10 seconds and scan the items & receipt - the rest is automatic. Go around your house and do the same for any valuables like jewelry, electronics, computers, camera equipment/expensive hobby stuff, etc.

    And if you have heirlooms, cash, or expensive jewelry DO NOT keep it anywhere near your master bedroom, let alone in a jewelry cabinet. Wall/floor safes can be had for less than $100 as well. Anything rarely used but valuable should be in a safe or safety deposit box.

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    The only thing I am really worried about losing is photos, I need to upload all my shit to the cloud for a more recent copy or store a 2nd harddrive with all the photos at work or something.
    Use more than one cloud service (most are free up to 5GB or so which is more than enough for thousands of photos), but if you're really worried, burn it to an archival grade blu-ray or DVD and toss it in a safety deposit box. Blackblaze is $4/mo for unlimited everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    Blackblaze is $4/mo for unlimited everything.
    That's only for IR porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    Just to add to this - there are apps that make this SUPER easy.

    If you're an android user, google drive has a "scan" feature built right in and it's automatically cloud-saved.

    If you're an iOS user, I use "Scanner Pro". It is basically the same thing and lets you scan receipts/documents and photos of product boxes/serial numbers very quickly and can upload automatically to both Google Drive and iCloud.

    Whenever you buy something new, take 10 seconds and scan the items & receipt - the rest is automatic. Go around your house and do the same for any valuables like jewelry, electronics, computers, camera equipment/expensive hobby stuff, etc.

    And if you have heirlooms, cash, or expensive jewelry DO NOT keep it anywhere near your master bedroom, let alone in a jewelry cabinet. Wall/floor safes can be had for less than $100 as well. Anything rarely used but valuable should be in a safe or safety deposit box.

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    Use more than one cloud service (most are free up to 5GB or so which is more than enough for thousands of photos), but if you're really worried, burn it to an archival grade blu-ray or DVD and toss it in a safety deposit box. Blackblaze is $4/mo for unlimited everything.
    I have backblaze but my laptops harddrives arent big enough so I have all the photos on a mirrored NAS in my basement. I need to hide it better and copy all the photos to a couple of external drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    He can't prove he had it - that's just what he told me his insurance company is saying and apparently the max is $6K.

    Jewlery, wedding rings, misc. valuables, and cash. Would not be hard to hit $40K I wouldn't think in a lot of people's homes. If someone has a $10K wedding ring they didn't wear that day, there is 1/4 of it right there.

    It just reinforces the need for people to document their stuff and keep valuables out of obvious places like master bedroom jewelry cabinets.
    this reminds me I need to get much better at organizing this info. Most of it is jsut a quick photo I email to myself. I'm sure if my 5-6+ snowboards and splitboards ever went missing insurance might ask some questions when I make a claim.

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    Do these guys not know what a ring / nest doorbell is? Or are they hoping to get caught? Seem like idiots. There was one shot that I saw and they literally looked right at it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubhead View Post
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    this reminds me I need to get much better at organizing this info. Most of it is jsut a quick photo I email to myself. I'm sure if my 5-6+ snowboards and splitboards ever went missing insurance might ask some questions when I make a claim.
    Just take photos of everything and have them auto-upload to the cloud storage of your choice. Some apps are designed for this and makes everything a nice PDF, but photos are just as good. Even if you don't have a receipt for something, if you have a photo with a serial number at least you can prove you had it.

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    Do these guys not know what a ring / nest doorbell is? Or are they hoping to get caught? Seem like idiots. There was one shot that I saw and they literally looked right at it!
    Makes you wonder doesn't it? Not only is the lens on those doorbells VERY obvious, usually so is the branding. In the OP videos the guys spent a fair amount of time looking directly into the lens haha. Also, as a thief, you'd likely be aware of such things. Then again, if they were smart they wouldn't be doing home invasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cosworth View Post
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    Do these guys not know what a ring / nest doorbell is? Or are they hoping to get caught? Seem like idiots. There was one shot that I saw and they literally looked right at it!
    They just don't care. We were broken into last February - same method, pry bar and then kicks to the front door in the middle of the afternoon. Corner house, highly visible.
    We have cameras (8), an alarm system, and a dog. They were in and out of the house with about $15k in jewellery and electronics in minutes.
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    I think a big part of it too is that they know things like this do not get a lot of police resources dedicated to it and it's highly unlikely they will ever be caught. No police department is going to go all CSI on the crime when there are hundreds happening around the city at any given time. It just gets tossed in the pile with all the others, and occasionally you get lucky with someone recognizing video footage or something.

    All you can really do is not put your valuables where you know they are going to look, since they wont spend more than 2-3 mins in the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    I think a big part of it too is that they know things like this do not get a lot of police resources dedicated to it and it's highly unlikely they will ever be caught. No police department is going to go all CSI on the crime when there are hundreds happening around the city at any given time. It just gets tossed in the pile with all the others, and occasionally you get lucky with someone recognizing video footage or something.

    All you can really do is not put your valuables where you know they are going to look, since they wont spend more than 2-3 mins in the house.
    Yup. In our case they went straight the the master bedroom and tossed it looking for jewelry. Then grabbed a laptop in our office on the way out.
    The police did come and finger print, take some shoe impressions and look at video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLiVE View Post
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    Yup. In our case they went straight the the master bedroom and tossed it looking for jewelry. Then grabbed a laptop in our office on the way out.
    The police did come and finger print, take some shoe impressions and look at video.
    That is literally identical to the one I was present at after. 2-3 mins in the house, max. It was a bungalow and he didn't even go downstairs.

    First thing they do is grab a pillow case off the bed, clean the master bedroom out of jewelry/cash,etc., then they hit the office, medicine cabinets, hard alcohol, and grab anything else lying around on their way out. Large electronics like TV/Computer were not touched since they can't run away with those. Freezer was left ajar because people often hide money in there and they know that.

    I talked to the forensics guy for about an hour while he did his thing, he said he sees the exact same pattern almost every single time right down to the pillow case. He took finger prints, foot print photos, and a bottle that was left for DNA which I'm sure would never be tested. He said it was extremely unlikely that the guy would ever be caught, offered suggestions on where NOT to keep valuables, and to just try and move on ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    That is literally identical to the one I was present at after. 2-3 mins in the house, max. It was a bungalow and he didn't even go downstairs.

    First thing they do is grab a pillow case off the bed, clean the master bedroom out of jewelry/cash,etc., then they hit the office, medicine cabinets, hard alcohol, and grab anything else lying around on their way out. Large electronics like TV/Computer were not touched since they can't run away with those. Freezer was left ajar because people often hide money in there and they know that.

    I talked to the forensics guy for about an hour while he did his thing, he said he sees the exact same pattern almost every single time right down to the pillow case. He took finger prints, foot print photos, and a bottle that was left for DNA which I'm sure would never be tested. He said it was extremely unlikely that the guy would ever be caught, offered suggestions on where NOT to keep valuables, and to just try and move on ASAP.
    Identical. I'm missing a pillow case and a dresser drawer. lol. As an aside - its almost worth leaving some jewelry/cash visible so they don't look harder for the good stuff. They took our Canadian cash, but left the USD beside it. haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu3000gt View Post
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    I think a big part of it too is that they know things like this do not get a lot of police resources dedicated to it and it's highly unlikely they will ever be caught. No police department is going to go all CSI on the crime when there are hundreds happening around the city at any given time. It just gets tossed in the pile with all the others, and occasionally you get lucky with someone recognizing video footage or something.

    All you can really do is not put your valuables where you know they are going to look, since they wont spend more than 2-3 mins in the house.
    And yet if you were to bludgeon the (or worse shoot them), you would have all sorts of police attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLiVE View Post
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    Identical. I'm missing a pillow case and a dresser drawer. lol.
    Haha there must be a manual or something out there on how to B&E.

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    And yet if you were to bludgeon the (or worse shoot them), you would have all sorts of police attention.
    True - even worse if you wounded and did not kill them and they sue you. Yay Canada!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    And yet if you were to bludgeon the (or worse shoot them), you would have all sorts of police attention.
    This.

    Just sit back and watch the shit you've worked hard for taken by some tweaker. Makes sense...

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    I bet if they could generate revenue from investigating break-ins, the crime would get a lot more attention.

    Police seem to really like enforcement that generates revenue (ie traffic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLiVE View Post
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    They just don't care. We were broken into last February - same method, pry bar and then kicks to the front door in the middle of the afternoon. Corner house, highly visible.
    We have cameras (8), an alarm system, and a dog. They were in and out of the house with about $15k in jewellery and electronics in minutes.
    What happened to the dog? I am annoyed by my stuff, feeling violated, and being annoyed at the work. But doing something to my dog is a big worry for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cosworth View Post
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    What happened to the dog? I am annoyed by my stuff, feeling violated, and being annoyed at the work. But doing something to my dog is a big worry for me.
    I'd guess that most dogs do nothing, or if they're small they could be put in a room with the door shut pretty easily. If your dog attacked them or wouldn't stop barking, that is probably where there is a high chance they would harm it to protect themselves.

    My GF's mom's dog was home when her house got broken into, and the front door was left open, thankfully the dog didn't leave and they didn't hurt the dog. I am guessing he just stood there and watched, or got scared and hid in the basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cosworth View Post
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    What happened to the dog? I am annoyed by my stuff, feeling violated, and being annoyed at the work. But doing something to my dog is a big worry for me.
    Dog was fine - but nervous/shaking. She was hiding under the dining room table. Not a big dog, but has a very loud/deep bark. They didn't care.
    They left the door open also. She's pretty good about running out though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
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    I see that shit, and my opinion on gun usage to defend your home changes. You should be able to just poke a gun out of the window and open fire.
    Agreed, however letting our fur-missile razor mouth take a hold of them, and then give them the shake rattle and roll as they scream and flail about would be more satisfying, and far easier to defend in court, or even to the responding officers.



    As a side note.. I was always told to get separate insurance riders for high value items like jewelry, so there is no second guessing.
    Also, worth taking pictures of your garage or high value rooms every once in a while to prove ownership of items.
    Very good point, I had sep riders for a variety of things in the past, wedding/engagement rings, firearms collection, etc.

    Rat Fink - that's a great point as well about personal responsibility so far as protecting oneself, and I'm not talking about self defense, but what you're referring to in terms of keeping written (and video nowadays) records of your property and any identifiable features like serials/etc. I need to update some of that stuff myself with some newer TVs and some new computer stuff as well. Cameras installed inside and out of the dwelling should be almost automatic nowadays, the cost is relatively small, the benefits great. I don't have a specific doorbell cam with audio like in the video of the one incident from the OP, something I think I'll be changing at our places. Being able to yell in real time even if you aren't home could save a lot of pita dealing with insurance and lost stuff - or cleaning the carpets after the furball rips intruders apart if he's not with us, which frequently at night he isn't.

    One thing I've always done is have a "honey pot" decoy safe which is light enough to carry, but heavy enough to be just enough of a PITA, right out in the open, with just bullshit inside of it. I leave a couple $20s and some change in a basket on top of that safe, a psych ploy to get any thief (on the clock of just a few minutes as L/E has stated in this thread) to think there is more $$$ inside of that safe, and to grab that and think they've hit the jackpot. Hopefully this will reduce the % of chance that they'll continue searching and find the real safes, which are hidden in purpose built hidden compartments - compartments that are very inexpensive and simple for anyone to construct in any type of dwelling.
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