Right of way question

[colinxx235]

Just curious if I'm missing something, I don't have the traffic book on me and I know some on the forums seem well versed in it. I snapped a shitty diagram below quick that I grabbed. I had a very close call this weekend and made me think who would have been at fault (I believe them).

Basically a 2+2 intersection, I'm car A turning left, car B is turning right. The lane that Car B would normally turn into is under construction fairly close to the intersection, Car B cut right into me thinking they have the right of way and we almost collided. Horns and pleasantries were exchanged. I thought construction is treated similar to if a car is parked in the lane, that we each have the RoW to the inside lane but if one is compromised you yield to the other persons normal RoW correct?

[Maxx Mazda]

Yeah I would have done what you did. He’s in the wrong.

[msommers]

Car A is crossing traffic, I don't believe they have the RoW in this instance unless Car A had a turning signal.

[ExtraSlow]

This is an awful diagram. That's my opinion on the situation.

[msommers]

Agree, this is a better picture.



OP is blue car turning left. Other car (white) has a blocked nearest lane and now they're turning into the same lane (left lane going west).

[Disoblige]

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Car A is crossing traffic, I don't believe they have the RoW in this instance unless Car A had a turning signal.

What does crossing traffic have to do with anything though? If A was in the clear, he should have had no issues turning into the left most lane.
The person turning right (B) should have yielded.

I can't remember exactly when, but I do recall seeing in some scenarios of this construction set-up where the person turning right had a temporary "STOP" construction sign just because there was not enough lane to do a proper turn without going into the left lane.
Edit: It could have been because of the nature of the work and how it extended to the sidewalk, but it seemed like there was enough change to put more onus on the person turning right to be more cautious.

[colinxx235]

Haha yes, sorry... terrible diagram, my googling at work skills are subpar today

But as per msommers diagram we both had signaled, I slowed down because I noticed that car speed up and didn't feel like getting t-boned. In the end the other car cut me off (assuming i'm correct) then brake checked/flipped me off after I honked. The intersection does not have an advanced green/turning signal. I know Alberta is very bad for RoW with intersections and turning so I often use a bit of precaution even without the construction as so many turn super wide or think they have the right to take up whatever lane as they are on the inside.

[benyl]

I can't wait until bow trail is done... I fucking hate that intersection. Even when there wasn't construction, soccer moms are unable to turn left onto 85th until traffic has completely cleared going the other way.

(I am assuming that you are talking about 85th and Aspenshire Drive SW.)

[msommers]

Looking at the book (pg 62), it does say re: note:

"If the first available lane of the street you are
turning onto has a parked vehicle or obstruction
close to the corner, turn into the first available
lane to the left of the parked vehicle. When the
lane is free, turn directly into that lane.

Note: Yield to other vehicles approaching from
your left that are travelling in the lane you will
enter."

So yes I was incorrect and OP was correct.

[Disoblige]

^^ Good find.

Case closed!

[98brg2d]

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Looking at the book (pg 62), it does say re: note:

"If the first available lane of the street you are
turning onto has a parked vehicle or obstruction
close to the corner, turn into the first available
lane to the left of the parked vehicle. When the
lane is free, turn directly into that lane.

Note: Yield to other vehicles approaching from
your left that are travelling in the lane you will
enter."

So yes I was incorrect and OP was correct.

That note applies to vehicles that are travelling straight through, A isn't to the left, A is head on. Unless there is a traffic island with a yield sign, B always has the right of way over A to the first available lane.

[msommers]

I don't feel like taking the image out to post here but here's the link for reference:

https://www.transportation.alberta.c...deJuly2016.pdf

[Buster]

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Looking at the book (pg 62), it does say re: note:

"If the first available lane of the street you are
turning onto has a parked vehicle or obstruction
close to the corner, turn into the first available
lane to the left of the parked vehicle. When the
lane is free, turn directly into that lane.

Note: Yield to other vehicles approaching from
your left that are travelling in the lane you will
enter."

So yes I was incorrect and OP was correct.

I think this is referring to cars already in that lane travelling down the street. (In this case westbound).

I don't know if OP is right or now, but I would assume that the person who is not crossing traffic into a one-lane situation would have the RoW.

[J-hop]

At the end of the day outside of assessing blame does it really matter what is the correct way?

Intuitively I would think the person going right is going to thing they have the right of way regardless what the law says so I’d always proceed as such.

Like parking lots, everyone (including myself) does those intersections wrong but we all know that and drive accordingly

Edit: I also grew up across from an old folks home and my dad taught me never to trust what someone’s indicator suggests they are going to do. Saved my ass on many occasions!!

[colinxx235]

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I can't wait until bow trail is done... I fucking hate that intersection. Even when there wasn't construction, soccer moms are unable to turn left onto 85th until traffic has completely cleared going the other way.

(I am assuming that you are talking about 85th and Aspenshire Drive SW.)

Bingo, I know I'm definitely not the only one on Beyond in this area. I hit that intersection daily and it is extremely frustrating. Don't want an accident, but if it does happen I'd prefer to the not at fault party. The other intersection is always 17th and 85th where so many people swing super wide on either side, that and not understanding a free flow lane.

Yah I read that portion before sommers and I have yet to come across a clear cut for this specific scenario. Given the amount of construction all of this city it would be nice to know. Cause yes I'm crossing car B's straight lane but with both turning that shouldn't apply. His lane impedance by barrier to me sounds the same as a blocked lane via car/parked/traffic etc in which yielding should stay that same

[Disoblige]

What about people who want an accident? I want to drive around that intersection with a dash cam in my beater knowing what the actual rules are so it can be written off on someone else's dime.

Maybe the Prelude guy as well

[J-hop]

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What about people who want an accident? I want to drive around that intersection with a dash cam in my beater knowing what the actual rules are so it can be written off on someone else's dime.

Maybe the Prelude guy as well

I did not consider that

Queue rocky meme ‘if I die, I die”

[msommers]

Ok so I'm bored and put this together in Illustrator lol...



I really thought when crossing traffic, unless you have a green arrow, meant you never have RoW. Now after reading the book, it seems like the other person in this very particular instance should have yielded because OP was coming from their left? In the right diagram, the "you" is the red car and I edited in the blue car from the left diagram (if that wasn't somehow obvious).

I was under the impression that this was never the case because the driver in the other vehicle (not OP) could get hit in the driver's side of their vehicle and therefore get RoW, the same reason why the person at a 4-way stop to the right has the RoW.

Where's @Traffic_Cop

[cet]

I think that just means traffic travelling straight through from the left. From here:
https://www.insurancehotline.com/und...mon-scenarios/

it says:

Sometimes right of way in a left turn situation is obvious, such as when you have a green arrow giving you a protected left turn. In some other situations, that turn may not be quite so clear. Unless you have a green arrow, you must always yield to oncoming traffic that is proceeding on a green light. This includes cars making a right turn on the green light. If you make a left turn without a protected green and strike a car that is proceeding in a forward direction, you will likely be found at fault as that other driver had the right of way. The same applies to an uncontrolled intersection; anyone turning left must yield right of way to oncoming traffic and wait for the way to be clear before making a turn.

[Perfect Dark]

If I was in your situation I'd have yielded to the other vehicle; to me this becomes a single-lane intersection and ROW would apply.